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Castaway
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Human rights activist and co-founder of Inspire, countering Islamist extremism and promoting Muslim women's rights.
On the island
Eight records
When I was two years old, I used to literally, as a toddler, go to the VCR play and put this film on and repeatedly play it again and again and again.
Lacrimosa dies illa (from Requiem in D minor)
London Philharmonic Orchestra and Choir
I had this wonderful music teacher who really instilled in all of us this love for Mozart… this is actually one of Mozart's final pieces that he composed and it's just something that I have a great love for.
I became this thirteen year old hijab wearing head-banging rock chick in effect.
A Change Is Gonna ComeFavourite
As an activist you have to have hope, no matter how pessimistic the outlook feels. And so you do this work with the hope that a change is going to come.
During the summer of 2012 this song was constantly being played and at the same time I was writing an op-ed for The Guardian about the murder of Shafilea Ahmed… every time I hear this song I just think of Shafilea.
If you're going to stand for something, you are going to face incredible amounts of abuse and you have to be determined… all of this does make you stronger and it absolutely makes you a fighter.
My young children, they're at that stage where they're constantly bickering… Put on the radio and this song came on and they just it was silenced because they were so enthralled by this piece of music.
In conversation
Presenter asks
2:08What does your faith mean to you today?
My faith has always been a central part of my identity. It very much frames my humanistic outlook in my life throughout the way I live my life, the way I view the world, the way I view my contribution in society. And today when I see the form that contemporary Islam takes in today, I see a faith that's struggling to escape from the clutches of extremists, where every day we hear Islamist terrorists in the name of my religion committing acts of terror, whether blowing up children in a park in Lahore or killing civilians at a concert hall in Paris. … it's for a lot of Muslims and for me personally it's highly distressing to see that my faith is being used to justify these atrocities and the core of Islam really is this idea that you have to stand out and speak for justice and if your faith has been hijacked it's an obligation on Muslims to in effect reclaim their faith back from the extremists.
Presenter asks
3:37What was the core of your message in that open letter [to young Muslim women after the Bethnal Green girls fled to ISIS]?
Very simply saying to young girls, don't fall for the lies of ISIS propaganda. Don't buy into their version of Islam. These people have totally distorted the faith. But also, what life is really like in ISIS territory. These people have no respect for women's rights. They have no interest in your family. They are asking you to break the relationship with your own parents who have raised you and given you life. And many of these families have moved to the UK precisely to give the very opportunities that they have not had. And ISIS are usually using you as fodder. The reason why I wrote it was simply because seeing the parents, their tears, seeing sisters cry, it's absolutely heartbreaking as a parent myself. And I felt at that point that there was no direct voice just saying to young Muslim women, this is the reality, let's be very clear about what ISIS is saying.
The keepsakes
The book
The Great Theft: Wrestling Islam from the Extremists
Khaled Abou El Fadl
he takes the reader in a very easy, digestible manner the idea of Muslim theology and how Muslim theology does embrace democracy, human rights, equality, morality, and the idea that Islam actually is fundamentally always based on compassion and justice
The luxury
the idea of sitting on a beach just drinking tea all day and listening to wonderful pieces of music as the sun sets would probably be my ideal
Presenter asks
5:58Despite Britain having some of the best gender equality legislation in the world, it doesn't touch a lot of Muslim women. Why does it not?
That's a very interesting question. And I've spent my life working and engaging within Muslim communities, particularly with Muslim women. And some of the stories and some of the women that I've engaged with really gave me sleepless nights. Women I know who are living in East London and who've lived there their whole lives and have never sat on a tube. Women who have told me that they're not allowed to attend their son or daughter's parents' evening or not allowed to do the school pickup. And it reminds me almost of slavery. And it's about combating that culture. You can implement legislation quite easily and create legislation. Trying to change attitudes and trying to change cultures is something far, far more difficult. Women want to hear this. They want to hear about gender equality. They want to hear about how Islam is compatible with women's rights. Because often that's not what they're hearing from religious clerics. They're hearing a very opposite idea. And so if you go in and say, well, actually, this is their own patriarchal interpretation of Islam, but there are much more diverse and progressive interpretations, which absolutely embraces feminism and women's rights. This is what women absolutely want to hear.
Presenter asks
10:51Tell me about your mother as a young woman. What were her aspirations?
She came to this country when she was about twenty one. She'd got married when she was nineteen, so she was quite young and my mum has always been a feminist. … She had very high aspirations. She told me how once she wanted to become a detective. I remember once she's saying she wanted to become an astronaut. You know, quite out of the box, culturally, anyway, aspirations. But she fulfilled very much the traditional cultural role that was expected of her, which was to be a housewife in particular, to raise the children. And so all of those dreams for her really were cast aside. And I think for her, that's why she again she's always encouraged us to fulfil your dreams because she never had the chance to fulfil her dreams.
Presenter asks
16:18What was it that made you put [the veil] on in the first place?
I did. I believed at that time that wearing the headscarf was a compulsory act of worship that you should do for the sake of God and I was coming across lots of different preachers and I didn't realise at that time that actually I was involved in a lot of Islamist groups and you know as I've as I've grown older and I've read a lot more and I was not just being exposed to Islamist or Salafi or Wahhabi literature but a much more wider and diverse understanding of Islam, I came to the conclusion that I don't believe the headscarf is compulsory. You know, I always defend the right to women wear whatever they want to wear, whether they want to wear a bikini or whether they want to wear a hijab, because I passionately believe in women's choices and women's rights.
Presenter asks
28:02One of the accusations thrown at you is that you are the Tory government's house Muslim. How do you react to that?
I think that if you are an independent and opinionated Muslim woman who has set up an organisation from scratch, you know, you will be accused of being a government stooge. I've been called a native informant. I mean, House Muslim is an incredibly racist term actually. And I mean, I have very much worked with the Labour government under with Prevent, as I have with the Conservative government, and I've absolutely made clear my views and disagreements, for example, with the new counter-extremism bill that's coming out and how I believe actually sections of that will violate human rights. So I've got no qualms about speaking my views plainly to the government.
“My faith has always been a central part of my identity. It very much frames my humanistic outlook in my life throughout the way I live my life, the way I view the world, the way I view my contribution in society.”
“I don't believe the headscarf is compulsory. You know, I always defend the right to women wear whatever they want to wear, whether they want to wear a bikini or whether they want to wear a hijab, because I passionately believe in women's choices and women's rights.”
“I became this thirteen year old hijab wearing head-banging rock chick in effect.”
“House Muslim is an incredibly racist term actually. … I've got no qualms about speaking my views plainly to the government.”
“The idea of a whip telling me how I should be voting would just go against every fibre in my body.”