Tuning in…
Tuning in…
Castaway
1 appearance
Founder of the London Sinfonietta, artistic director of the Pompidou Centre, and general director of the South Bank.
On the island
Eight records
In conversation
Presenter asks
0:49Has [music] always been the case since you were very small?
I've always been very, very fascinated by music. My parents don't play instruments, but I was always encouraged to go to concerts and exhibitions, and music was very much part of our life.
Presenter asks
5:08Why did you not read music at Cambridge?
First of all, I wouldn't have been qualified to read music, not having studied it in in a serious manner up to that time. I've always considered myself to be a music lover, not a professional of the music business in in the sense of analysis and playing instruments at a professional level. And I've always been very interested in literature, and that seemed the the obvious thing to do.
Presenter asks
8:19When did your fondness for contemporary music begin?
I remember very well at Cambridge feeling an enormous sadness at the idea that music somehow doesn't exist any more. This can't be possible. … It can't be possible because there's painting, there's literature, there's everything else, there's cinema, everything else goes on. Surely music can't just be a wonderful museum with no extra gallery, no extra room, no continuity. And at Cambridge I was very conscious of the the need that traditions change and I was immensely impressed by the new music which was coming out of the continent as well as in Britain. Stockhous and Boulas. Co in particular. … But also the works of composers then very young, like Maxwell Davis, Bertwistle, and Alexander Goh. And just, as I say, this feeling that life goes on and that the refusal to face an intolerable idea that music is archaeology, that it's finished with Richard Strauss, wonderful though that is.
The keepsakes
The book
John le Carré
I've re-read that book several times, of course, and on the desert island, um not being very practical I wouldn't be able to get away. I could re-read it again and again and again, and still not quite understand what's going on. So it would keep me going.
The luxury
I would like to bring with me my Mini Gadger coffee machine, Expresso Coffee Machine, with a supply of um coffee so that I can um keep awake. I need my coffee.
Presenter asks
17:43Do you feel that the South Bank has any of that atmosphere [of the Pompidou Centre]?
Look, with the Queen Elizabeth Hall and the Purcell Room, I remember when I arrived I I couldn't help noticing the audience figures were simply appalling. … We've changed the place. … The result is, of course, we've just had our best year ever. … So those are achievements which I think reflect the Parisian experience. Bring in all sorts of different things for different audiences and don't just satisfy one audience.
Presenter asks
21:34Haven't you a duty, when spending public money, to put on music that a lot of potential concert goers want to go to?
Look, absolutely. I believe that the South Bank, the concert halls and the galleries and the literature events have to have a very careful mix of the familiar, the favourites, the popular, the classical, the non-classical. … In the festival hall, which is, I think, what we're talking about, we have to do the same thing.
Presenter asks
30:06Have you any ambition beyond the South Bank? Is there a job in the arts you would love to get your hands on?
I do have a great love of opera, I always have had, and I think at one point I would love to go back to my first love. I used to work at Glenbourne when I left Cambridge and uh it would be lovely to get back into the opera world at some point. But uh I don't feel any sense of pressure or any great ambition I'm waiting to fulfil. I'm enjoying what I'm doing at the moment, even the controversy, and I'm determined and there's a lot still to do.
“I've always been very, very fascinated by music. My parents don't play instruments, but I was always encouraged to go to concerts and exhibitions, and music was very much part of our life.”
“I remember very well at Cambridge feeling an enormous sadness at the idea that music somehow doesn't exist any more. This can't be possible. … It can't be possible because there's painting, there's literature, there's everything else, there's cinema, everything else goes on. Surely music can't just be a wonderful museum with no extra gallery, no extra room, no continuity.”
“It takes I think music and art should take us by surprise, and uh that's what's so exciting about it, I think. Yes, it does take us by surprise. So does Mozart, so do many things.”
“And the smiles were soon off our faces as we realised this is really one of the very great works. And I think that the idea of Rossigne as just being um a kind of light amuser is to be rethought when you when you hear this extraordinary piece and I I defy anybody to sit through it without tears coming to their eyes.”
“I think presents us wi as with so much Mozart with a mystery. There's one cannot work out what it is. There's no analysis. There's no book, however many pages there may be, which can bring one to understanding the extraordinary emotion of listening to such music, which seems so simple and yet so complex and so touching and profound.”