Tuning in…
Tuning in…
Castaway
1 appearance
Pulitzer Prize-winning author and former U.S. ambassador to the UN who served as a key foreign policy advisor to President Obama.
On the island
Eight records
This is a song that just reminds me so much of my beloved mother, who grew up in Cork City, Cork, the daughter of a policeman. She longed to become a doctor when she was a kid and was deterred from pursuing medicine because she was a girl, but in her mid-twenties went back and got her medical degree. Talk about intense. My mother was intense, is intense. But amid that intensity, just this joy, this desire to dance. Anybody could be that guy … Light is young and the music's … With a bit of rock music, everything's fine. … Join the Lootford Band. … And when you get the chance, you are the dancing queen.
My dad was a magnificent piano player, and one of his favorite songs was Kat Stevens' Morning Has Broken. And I have such fond memories of lying next to the piano stool on the carpeted floor and watching his feet on the pedals as he played this beautiful song, and it ended up being the song that I had played as I came down the aisle from my wedding in County Kerry.
Oh, this is a song by one of my favorite bands, the Pogues. It's a song about immigration, coming across that big Atlantic Ocean, the hardship of coming to a new land, the longing for what you've left behind, and the determination to dance.
Crazy by Seale, an Australian journalist, took this song and spliced together video of the carnage in Bosnia. And so this song and those images that this journalist captured will always go together in my mind and just how war can scar you for forever.
This is a Bob Dylan cover, Boots of Spanish Leather, and it is performed by a wonderful group called Mandolin Orange. This is a song that reminds me of my husband Cass, who, in addition to being the most original person and having the most original mind that I have ever encountered, and being the author of dozens and dozens of books, he is someone who has a Bob Dylan lyric response to anything that happens in one's life. So, no matter what news I bring in a given day, or what crossroads I find myself at, or what lamentation I am making, he's got a Bob Dylan lyric for it.
Why (The King of Love Is Dead)
This is Nina Simone's Why The King of Love is Dead. And it's a song written a few days after the assassination of Martin Luther King. I think it captures some of the anger that we see today, given that so much injustice persists, particularly racial injustice. I think Simone, who was radicalized in her later years, meant it as a song of despair, as a lament. I find it immensely motivating.
Tonight Will Be FineFavourite
This is a Leonard Cohen cover, Tonight Will Be Fine, by my dear friend Teddy Thompson. I had long had this sense, because of my father's death when I was young, that nothing great can last. And when I had kids, of course, my fear of something bad happening was always with me when I had Declan just thinking, Will he be okay? And this song kind of calms me and just says, You know, we can't predict the future, but tonight, let's enjoy it. Tonight will be fine.
So, well, it did take Cass and me a few years to conceive our second child, our daughter Rhian, who's now eight. It was after many rounds of IVFs and miscarriages. And so, this song I heard not long after Rhian was born by Alexander Ebert, and it's called A Million Years. And the key resonant line for me is A Million Years Full of Tears, but I found my girl. I found my girl, Rhian.
In conversation
Presenter asks
1:59With Joe Biden's arrival at the White House, rumors are circulating that you might be returning to frontline politics. Have you had a call from Joe Biden yet?
I don't know honestly what the future holds, but I will say that having been a journalist, an activist, an academic, a diplomat, a staffer, nothing has been more rewarding in my career than and more meaningful really than getting to represent the United States, getting to be a public servant. So if I had the chance to serve again, I think I'd leap at the opportunity.
Presenter asks
3:20And a journalist friend of yours once said of you, she's either intense or asleep. Would you say that's a fair assessment?
I it's not untrue. I don't have a middle gear. I think that's fair to say. But I certainly I love music. I love sport. I love to dance. I may be intense in how I do all of those things to a fault, but there's a lightness that comes with not taking myself too seriously.
Presenter asks
7:05You did go back one Christmas to stay with your father … and your mother came to collect you on Christmas Eve. What happened?
The keepsakes
The book
Irish Times Book of Favourite Irish Poems
Colm Tóibín
Colum's a great friend of mine, brilliant Irish writer, poet in his way, and for him to choose the poems that I'd be cast away with, I think, makes a lot of sense.
The luxury
I have wanted to learn the guitar my whole life. I thought I might do it in the pandemic period. I have failed the guitar and me on the island. It will happen.
It was a very dramatic and very sad evening. I mean, it shouldn't have been. It was Christmas Eve. But my dad, with us back in his company, hitting the tennis ball in the cul-de-sac outside the house, he said to my mother, I'm keeping them. And my mother said, no, you're not. The courts have made clear I have custody. … And he said, No, I'm keeping them. … So she just swooped in on Christmas Eve and and uh picked us up and brought us pretty soon thereafter to the airport and that would prove the last time I saw my dad in person.
Presenter asks
10:17So you were fourteen, Samantha, when a call came and you received some terrible news from Ireland. What do you remember about that day?
I remember sitting in my bedroom in Atlanta, Georgia, and hearing my mother come home from the hospital early, and that didn't happen often. Probably some radar was going off in me that something was amiss, but I wasn't prepared for my mother coming into my room and sitting me down and telling me that my father had passed away. He was 47. The one detail that was seared into my soul was that he died alone. And I remember overhearing that he had been found days later in the house, in our house. … Do I realize that my childhood sense of having superpowers? You know, if I were stronger, if I had been more worth it, you know, my dad would have been able to get it together. Only when you get older do you understand what addiction is and what alcoholism is and how much bigger it is than one person's will or one family's will. But again, I was 14. All I knew was this large, charismatic, very loving father had vanished.
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14:35You decided to become a war correspondent. Why did you feel at such a young age that you had to go there yourself [to Bosnia]?
In the period where I was coming of age in America, the Holocaust was getting heightened attention. There was a museum opening up on the mall in Washington with America's cherished monuments. It was taught in great detail in American schools. And the idea of never again had gathered significant force, I think. So fast forward, then, 1992, I've just graduated from college. The Berlin Wall has fallen just a few years before, and there's a great sense of promise that peace is at hand and that the world can come together. But at the same time, as Yugoslavia collapsed, you see this savage war in Bosnia break out, this horrific ethnic cleansing and such suffering.
Presenter asks
17:45You had taken great pains to get there [to Bosnia]. How did covering the conflict in Bosnia firsthand shape your own thinking?
It has left me certainly with a desire to be out in the world talking to people who are affected by our decisions, affected by the decisions of their governments, that that is a perspective that is invaluable and too often lacking, honestly, in the bubble of policy.
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18:18President Clinton refused to intervene in the conflict at that stage. What were your personal feelings about what you saw as a lack of direct action by the US and NATO at the time?
To see kind of chaotic and dispersed diplomacy that didn't seem to be well leveraged, and to know that the effects of diplomatic failure was going to be more bloodshed and more kids killed while jumping rope in playgrounds, it tore me up inside, and it tore many, many journalists up inside. So, as a citizen, I think, of the world and a citizen of America, I really wanted President Clinton to prioritize this conflict.
Presenter asks
25:37You were forced to resign after referring to Hillary Clinton … as a monster in print. How do you look back on what you said now?
Well, even at the time, I couldn't believe that I had said it. I it's hard to be convincing in this regard since the words came out of my mouth, but I got way too caught up in it. It was my first presidential campaign. … the mud was being slung from one campaign to the next, and I regret it to this day. I did have a chance to apologize to her in person, and I'm very glad about that. And of course, had a chance to work with her when she was Secretary of State and I was President Obama's human rights advisor. And so we've come a long way. But it's a reminder of just how one can lose perspective. It can feel like the center of the universe, but you have to stay true to treating people and talking about people with respect. And I didn't do that.
Presenter asks
26:47And in the short term, of course, it cost you dearly. You went from being at the heart of the campaign to being a complete outsider. Is it that you resigned or that Obama asked you to go?
Initially, he rejected the idea that I would have to resign. Then he realized that it was potentially going to be costly for the campaign. So he said, I'm going to put you in the penalty box. And of course, my Irish cousins would say the Sin bin. I had to go to the Sin Bin. So I was in the Sin Bin for quite a while there until he locked up the nomination and then I came back for the general election.
Presenter asks
28:32So, after President Obama was elected, he brought you back into the fold … In his second term, you served as US Ambassador to the UN. … How did you take to being a diplomat?
The short answer is I loved every minute of it. The longer answer is that I wasn't known for being the most diplomatic person before becoming a diplomat, but I think that authentically being curious about my colleagues from these other 192 countries, playing soccer with the Latin American ambassadors, joining the Korean, Danish, Serbian, and Thai ambassadors in a amateur rock band, you know, building, just seeing all that we have in common. We all love music.
Presenter asks
30:19I read the letter that you wrote to Declan when he was just six months old. You were going away on your first trip to Iraq. What did it say?
I just was, again, afraid that something bad would happen, that I'd be in Iraq and wouldn't come home to my boys. And so I just tried to convey to Declan the love that I felt for him at that time. And don't get me talking about the letter. I'll lose it here at the end of the program. Whenever you hear thunder, that will be me. Whenever the Red Sox win the ninth, that will be me. … It was uh it was very hard to write. It's very hard to read. And right now it's very hard to keep that book away from my son uh'cause he's eleven and wants he's heard about the letter and he wants to read the letter and I'm absolutely determined for him not to read the letter and I hope never to have to read the letter.
“I don't have a middle gear. I think that's fair to say. But I certainly I love music. I love sport. I love to dance. I may be intense in how I do all of those things to a fault, but there's a lightness that comes with not taking myself too seriously.”
“Only when I myself became a mother did I sort of reflect on just the bravery and the brazenness in some ways of the choices that she [my mother] made.”
“That would prove the last time I saw my dad in person.”
“Only when you get older do you understand what addiction is and what alcoholism is and how much bigger it is than one person's will or one family's will.”
“I just was consumed with this objective of getting over to Bosnia and I was going to do whatever it took, even if it meant doing something else.”
“We have an understanding, put it that way. I think he puts up with me. There would be occasions when I was at the White House or when I was in his cabinet as UN Ambassador where he would just say straight up, Sam, you're getting on my nerves.”
“He was immensely decisive, but never wanted yes men, that happy talk as he as he described it, that would get you nowhere.”