Tuning in…
Tuning in…
Castaway
1 appearance
A scientist and pharmacist who uses nanoparticles to deliver medicines to hard-to-reach areas of the body, including the brain and the back of the eye.
On the island
Eight records
The keepsakes
The book
In conversation
Presenter asks
3:17You've got such a passion for your subject and you love research. Why in particular does that excite you, that part of the job?
You're never bored. You will get disappointment, so it's very hard to fund research. It's very hard to get your papers into the journals you want them to be published in, but you will never be bored. And you could go to bed one night and you're thinking of something, wake up in the morning, you're having a shower, you've clarified your idea, you walk into your lab.
Presenter asks
4:22And what about that moment of discovery when you've made it through, you've done the research and then you make a discovery? What does that feel like? And who's the first person that you tell when something like that happens?
Those aha moments are not so easy to come by because the first thing as a good scientist is that you must be consumed by doubt. So even when you see the data and you've interpreted it in a particular way, there's always a part of you that thinks, what if I got a part of this wrong? But we did have a time when we realised we were onto something. What we did was that we wrote it up, I was working together actually with my husband Andreas. We had developed this new molecule that we were going to use to package drugs to take them to particular parts of the body and we tested it, a quick test, and we found that it didn't destroy cells. So we thought it should destroy cells based on what we've read. We wrote it up and sent it for publication. So we kind of told each other, this looks particularly interesting.
Frank McCourt
Angela's Ashes by Frank McCourt is a book I read about fifteen years ago and it's never left me. ... the way he writes the book, you always feel hopeful. ... I think it's very important to have optimism.
The luxury
A variety of seeds (yam, corn, rice)
A variety of seeds so that I can grow some food. ... if you can give me some yam seeds, some corn seeds, some rice seeds, with a little bit of a how-to, then I can probably catch some fish.
Presenter asks
7:06You were born in Hackney, East London, in 1960. Your parents, Jane and Gilbert, had come to the UK from Nigeria shortly before you were born. And am I right in thinking that your name has an auspicious connection to their journey?
It absolutely does. So my mother arrived. She's 19 years old. She's pregnant with me when they came over. My dad, 30 years old. And they've come to study. And my dad has almost liquidated all his assets. So for him, this was a big move. And he bought a house in Hackney. They had tenants to pay their way. Then he decided to call me Ijoma, which means have a good trip. So he was hopeful. He really hoped it was going to be fine.
Presenter asks
9:23When you were a baby, your parents placed you with foster parents, a white family. Do you remember them looking after you when you were little?
I really do remember being in the family and being with my auntie Pat is what I called her and her older children. And it was just a lovely time with this family. And I've often said that the only way I knew I was different was I was looking at their palms and thinking they should be brown because my palms are white and the soles of their feet should also be brown. But I noticed that it wasn't like that.
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18:19You were thirteen when you made the move [to Nigeria]. Obviously you'd been brought up with an expectation that it was going to happen at some point. How did you feel about moving?
The good thing about that was suddenly we had new clothes. So that was all I was thinking about. I wasn't thinking too much about leaving my friends. But then towards the end, I remember my form teacher said, Go and tell the head teacher that you're leaving, that this is your last week. And I'd have been this bravado. I'm going to Nigeria. I'm going to leave you all. I'm going to be in the sun. I went to see the head teacher and I just fell apart. I remember being in her office sobbing. And I remember her telling me, At least you'll have Christmas in the sun. As if that was something that was comforting, I then became absolutely bereft that I would never see this place again. So that was really, really tough. And then when I got to Nigeria, it was even tougher because I then had a skin condition that sort of confined me to my bedroom. So this wasn't, it was kind of analogy to [the] sun … People would come, you know, I'm in this dark room, they'd have a look and it's from their expression that you realize actually you're not looking that great because of the way they looked at you.
Presenter asks
36:21So Ijoma, you have your own pharmaceutical company with your husband, and you say you're trying to apply your science to real world problems. Now part of your work focuses on making medicines to treat diseases that lead to blindness. What are the difficulties and what are you working on in that area?
So the one that we went into clinical trials with, and that's the first time the company had done a clinical test, is really looking at a form of allergic eye disease, but very, a very severe form. So people that have this form of allergic eye disease, they have nodules inside their eye and the whole eye is inflamed. So you can imagine on the inside of your eyelid, you actually have hives, that kind of thing. And to treat these diseases is very difficult. They can either take steroid drops, but if you take steroid drops for too long, you have side effects, you have very high intraocular pressure, something called glaucoma, or you have a cataract forming. So you can't take steroids for too long. Or they can take drugs by mouth that suppress the immune system, but then they suppress everywhere. So then what we've taken into the clinic is something that we can use, which will only suppress the immune system around the eye. It doesn't get into the blood, so it increases the safety. … The second area that we're interested in is that we can give eye drops where the actual drug compound goes to the back of the eye, the retina. And that's important because patients at the moment, they have to get an injection into the eyeball. But that injection into the eyeball comes with all sorts of side effects. You can't put an injection into the eyeball every day and all the time and for years and years.
“We are walking chemical reactions. As you've just spoken to me, a chemical reaction has taken place and produced sound. So we are walking chemical reactions.”
“I remember one particular classmate saying, you're just an ugly monster. But you know what I did? I resorted to comedy.”
“I go to Nigeria, I see a completely different life. I see people in positions of authority that kind of looked like me. They didn't speak like me, but they looked like me. Suddenly I thought, Yes, I really [want to go to university].”
“I got in there, and the first thing I saw which really upset me was the awarding gap. … If you came into university with [a] particular set of A levels and you are from an ethnic minority background, compared to a white student coming in with those same A levels, you are less likely to get this good degree. This annoyed me. And then I asked the provost, I said, I need to have a role in this.”
“One of the proudest things I've ever done is lead that work to get rid of those names [of eugenicists]. Those names were there for 100 years.”
“I'm just glad I'm standing here today … I'm so glad I'm standing here today because I am glad I'm standing here today.”