Tuning in…
Tuning in…
Castaway
1 appearance
Writer and conservationist behind the Knepp rewilding project and author of the best-selling book 'Wilding'.
On the island
Eight records
The keepsakes
In conversation
Presenter asks
1:31So you're 20 years into your rewilding project now. For listeners who have yet to view your online webcam, paint a picture for us. What would we see, smell and feel on arrival?
Well, if you come in the spring, you are standing in a landscape that really looks more like the Serengeti because it's this extraordinary thorny scrub interspersed with water meadows, wildflower meadows, and then wandering throughout it all we've got our big free-roaming herbivores, longhorn cattle, Exmore ponies, Tamworth pigs. They're all allowed to go wherever they like, so they're disturbing the landscape, creating this amazing, sort of vibrant …
Presenter asks
6:11In two thousand two your husband Charlie sent a letter of intent to DEFRA outlining your aim to, I quote, establish a biodiverse wilderness area in the Lower Weal of Sussex. What did you need to do to get started?
After the last harvest we just simply let the fields lie fallow. We took up about seventy seven miles of internal fences. We let the ditches silt up and we took out gate posts. And then finally when we got funding from high-level stewardship, we deer fenced the whole area so that we could release these free-roaming animals within it.
The book
Leo Tolstoy
It's my favourite book, and I think that will sort me out. I could read that several times over and still find wonderful new things in it.
The luxury
mask and snorkel with neoprene vest
I'd love a mask and snorkel. I hope it's going to be a coral reef that hasn't been affected by bleaching, and there'll be a wonderful kaleidoscope of fish to look at. But I do get very cold, so could I have kind of like a neoprene vest? Can I have that so I can just stay in the water even longer?
Presenter asks
I wonder what the most difficult lessons to learn have been during the rewilding process.
Early on, I think there was a moment when we did begin to lose our nerve. We suddenly had creeping thistle come in over tens and then hundreds of acres, and it can really colonize fast. And as we'd made this pledge to let nature work itself out, we felt we had to sit on our hands and see what would happen, and it carried on like the day of the Triffids, and of course we had angry letters from the neighbours. And then suddenly, about three or four years in, we woke up one Sunday morning and there were painted lady butterflies, tens of thousands of them, and they were landing on the creeping thistle. So you could stand inside the thistles and close your eyes, and you could hear the sound of the butterflies around you like a waterfall. Amazing.
Presenter asks
15:51You said that your rebelliousness was in part due to some anxieties that you'd felt about your adoption. Years later you did trace your birth mother, Geraldine, first via a letter, and then on the phone. I mean, that must have been such a big moment for both of you. How did it go?
It was really astonishing, and I remember feeling very guilty to begin with towards my parents. But when I told them that I was going to do this, my mother had obviously prepared herself for this, and she said the most wonderful thing. She said… Don't worry about meeting your mother, and I hope you love her. Um it doesn't mean you'll love us any the less. The human heart is the most amazing thing. It can just grow and grow and grow. It has infinite capacity. And that really was such a relief. It made me see it in a completely different way. And when I finally found Geraldine, I thought I would cry or something, but the relief was so enormous that I just laughed, and she laughed, and we laughed and laughed and talked for hours on the phone, and she wanted to know what I looked like, and said it's extraordinary if you had written this letter any later than you did, I would have been abroad. I said, Where are you going? and she said Papua New Guinea and I said, But that's where I'm going next week. So it was really astonishing. But I remember walking down the street literally I know what people mean when you walk on air. That's how it felt. It felt like some burden had been lifted. And from that moment on, that little rebelliousness, that little kind of grit that had been annoying away at me vanished, and I felt settled.
Presenter asks
19:30By the time you were ready to go to university, you already wanted to become a writer, but you chose to read classics rather than English as you'd originally intended to. Why was that?
It was really the advice of Iris Murdoch. She was a great friend of my uncle David Cecil who used to come to lunch every Sunday. And she was there one day and asked what I wanted to do in the future. And I said, you know, sort of rather shamefacedly in front of this wonderful novelist that I wanted to be a writer. And she said, well, what are you studying at university? And I said, well, English, of course. And she said, there's no, of course, about it. Don't study English. Any fool can read a book. You should be studying classics and then you'll really know how to use language. So that's what I did. And I still had this hankering to read English. But once I got to university and started reading the classics, I absolutely loved it. So she was right. She was absolutely right, yeah.
Presenter asks
24:30And that process began with a visit from an expert in managing oak trees, Ted Green. What did he tell you?
Oh, Ted's amazing. We brought him in to advise us on this big old oak tree. It's about five or six hundred years old. And he saw this wonderful specimen, and he said there's nothing wrong with it. It could go on for another three or four hundred years. But then he turned round and he looked at these lovely oaks in what had been the Repton Park around the house. that we had been merrily plowing right up to the trunks, and Ted says, you know, I can just tell when a friend of mine isn't looking well, and these friends of mine are not looking well. And we said, well, what was it? Was it the drought? Was it, you know, has it been storms? And he said, no, it's what you're doing to the soil underneath. It's the chopping up of the roots, it's the chemicals, and that's why they're looking like that. And suddenly we felt, my God, that this is down to us. These trees that we assumed would be there forever were dying and we were what was causing it. And that was the epiphany, I think, when we realised we've got to change our ways.
“We just loved the feeling of life rebounding, the noise of the birds and insects, barking foxes, roaring stags. There is a sense that the very ground beneath your feet is coming to life again with worm cast, anthills, dung beetles, fruiting bodies of fungi, moles. You just feel like the land is heaving with life.”
“Don't worry about meeting your mother, and I hope you love her. Um it doesn't mean you'll love us any the less. The human heart is the most amazing thing. It can just grow and grow and grow. It has infinite capacity.”
“I remember walking down the street literally I know what people mean when you walk on air. That's how it felt. It felt like some burden had been lifted.”
“And that was the epiphany, I think, when we realised we've got to change our ways.”
“It is shocking to look back on it. But it's it's it's true. When we were farming the fields were always ploughed, and the plowing would be killing up all the worms and the soil biota and the mycorrhiza fungi, so there was really nothing in those fields at all.”
“It's that innate desire in all of us to connect with living things. And when you're walking down a water lag on a sunny summer's evening and you hear a turtle dove turturing, it's this kind of sense of joy that takes over you, this sense of kind of completeness. You're suddenly somewhere where life is humming, buzzing all around you. It's where you're meant to be.”