Tuning in…
Tuning in…
Castaway
1 appearance
Booker Prize-winning author of The God of Small Things and a political essayist on poverty, globalization, and oppression.
On the island
Eight records
They play in my head all the time and the Beatles have meant everything to me, you know. I mean short of throwing my panties at them, I've done everything, yeah, sure. I love their music.
Martin Taylor's Spirit of Django
It's a song which breaks my heart… it's I think the first song that I remember uh my mother singing… she used to sing the song and I'd listen to it and think this woman's she's beautiful and she's young and and it's over in terms of love and even today it it it harms me when I think about it. But we we don't walk away from harm.
Jerome Kern, Oscar Hammerstein II
I heard it as I was growing up on this very small river. And you think about this Mississippi, you know? And I've never been there yet, but I will get there one day.
So I grew up in this town… for me, it was close to having a bag put on my head and told, look, you've got a small supply of oxygen… There were these two songs… Ruby Tuesday, which somehow told me that, you know, cash your dreams before they slip away, don't get caught in this mire.
George Gershwin, DuBose Heyward
Her voice, along with Billie Holiday's, to me is absolute freedom of women. You know, the absolute refusal to be bottled in and, you know, squeak and be made to be what people want you to be.
This is a song by a musician from Rajasthan called Bhungar Khan… It's the song about the coming of the monsoon… it's almost like a desert yearning for rain, but he sings it like a lover yearning for her love to come back. And it's haunting.
Raga Chhayanat / Chhaya Malhar (Tan Man Dhan Sab Unhi Parwar)Favourite
Traditional (Hindustani classical)
It's a song of surrender. It says my body, my wealth, my mind, everything I lay at your feet. And that could be the feet of a lover or it could be a divine being or it could be a divine love. But it's a song of beautiful surrender.
I've chosen this because I love it and because it's in a beautiful way in my new book. Its spirit is there in all sorts of ways.
In conversation
Presenter asks
1:57How did you resist the huge encouragement after winning the Booker Prize to keep on writing the same kind of novel?
I don't know whether that's a myth, you know, that after all, people can only put pressure on you if you accept that pressure. But I wasn't ever the person who wanted to become a assembly line writer. Also, things changed very dramatically in India around that time. When I won the Booker Prize and I was on the cover of every magazine, I was sort of being marketed as this new product of the global India. And then suddenly, the government did these nuclear tests. And for me, I realized that because I was at that point embraced by the establishment, not saying something was as political as saying something. And I wrote this essay condemning the tests. And at that point, the fairy princess was kicked off her pedestal in a minute. But I write things because sometimes I just can't not write them.
Presenter asks
3:03What's the starting point for you when you write?
It's a mixture. But, you know, there's a big difference in the way my body feels when I'm writing fiction and when I'm writing political stuff. The fiction, it's less a book than a city or a sedimentary rock. It has layers and layers and layers. It's mysterious and esoteric, and you know that you have to wait for it. It's a dance. I'm never in a hurry. And I'm very secretive about it while I'm writing. Sometimes I don't even know if I'm writing or just concentrating and the folks in the book are coming out there. But when I have done non-fiction… I never set out to do it, and each time I write an essay I get into so much trouble, I promise that I won't do it again. And then even though I'm trying to tell myself to shut up, it becomes much easier to write it than not write it. And so, in a way, I have twenty years of essays I never meant to write.
The keepsakes
The book
Nadezhda Mandelstam
because it has a lot of secrets in it which I haven't unearthed yet, but secrets about love and endurance and harshness and poetry.
Presenter asks
4:17You say when you write something you have to spend a few days filtering out the fury and that you don't do things to be deliberately provocative. So how do you filter out your fury?
Well, first I write it in, and then it's like this cliff of anger, and I put in the pegs like a mountaineer would, and I climb up, and then I take the pegs out. But I still don't manage to filter out enough of it for most people, but why should I? Uh you have to use all your skills. In my non fiction I do use the arsenal of a fiction writer. I mean, I believe fiction is truth, you know, so fiction is not made up.
Presenter asks
6:05The gap between rich and poor in India is enormous. You yourself have described it as an obscenity. What is the starkest representation of it that you see within your city?
I studied architecture and from then to now I've spoken about how there's a city and a non-city and the city has institutions, it has housing, it has markets, it has transport, and then the non-citizens live in the cracks between these institutions. They have no foothold in the city, they have no homes, they have nothing. Even the sewage system isn't theirs. So that's how it is. And of course, outside the city, the devastation, as you know, two hundred and fifty thousand farmers have killed themselves 'cause they're in debt. So for me as a writer, it's impossible to just pursue a glittering career as a fiction writer and just ignore all this. But for me, the fiction too must be informed by this. By caste. I mean, which country in the world has more than a million people who make a living carrying other people's shit on their heads? This is what the caste system is in India.
Presenter asks
10:33What was your mother like as a mother when you were very young?
She was raging because she firstly was the child of a very abusive father and a pretty weak mother with failing eyesight who played the violin beautifully… her husband broke her violin because how can she be allowed to do that? And then she married my dad who I never met until I was very much older in my twenties… she was very ill all the time. She had asthma and she didn't have anywhere to go, so she was living in my grandmother's house. And everybody used to just tell us, Why don't you get out? This is not your house. You have no right to be here. And so I'd spend all my time just on the river and with people who used to fish. And, you know, I just grew up wild. I knew every beetle and insect and blade of grass. So she was harsh and she was bitter and she was beautiful and she was tender… when somebody upset her, the only people she could take it out on was me and my brother. So there was a lot of anger against us. And she would say… 'you're like millstones around my neck' and all that. And yet, then she would embrace us too and love us. So it was difficult because you never knew what was coming at you, which is very unsettling, I suppose. But maybe that's what made me a writer… my mother broke me and made me and broke me and made me, and she still does. I think she's a fundamental force in me in all kinds of ways.
Presenter asks
12:38You have said previously that to have seen a woman who never needed a man is a wonderful thing.
Yeah, I don't mean it as never needed a man, but like I grew up without the presence of the father who's going to look after you. I just didn't have that. So in a way, I love men because I don't accept bullshit from them. And so I once in Kerala had a very funny occasion where my mother and I were at some meeting where they were talking about dowry and my mother was yelling about why you shouldn't accept dowry. And I said, why don't you just give your daughters whatever you want to give them? Why do you link it to marriage? So a woman with lots of diamond earrings said, you know, but that will make our daughters very bold and bold girls can never have a happy marriage. So I said, why I was brought up to be bold and I've had several happy marriages.
“I write things because sometimes I just can't not write them.”
“I grew up wild. I knew every beetle and insect and blade of grass.”
“My mother broke me and made me and broke me and made me, and she still does. I think she's a fundamental force in me in all kinds of ways.”
“I was brought up to be bold and I've had several happy marriages.”
“I don't know if I'm practical, but I'm very calm in high stress situations.”