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Desert Island Discs
Presented by Roy Plomley
Welsh mezzo-soprano who made her Wigmore Hall debut at 17 after winning a scholarship to Trinity College of Music.
Eight records
Der Hölle Rache kocht in meinem Herzen
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Constanze's aria (from Die Entführung aus dem Serail)
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Pamina's aria (from Die Zauberflöte)
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The keepsakes
No book or luxury recorded for this episode.
In conversation
Presenter asks
What part of Wales?
Um well, what used to be Monmouthshire, and which is now Gwent, we are finally part of Wales.
Presenter asks
Did you start taking music lessons yourself very early?
Ah, I was taught piano. But not for very long, because I hated it and wouldn't practise, so my mother and father wouldn't give me the money to continue.
Presenter asks
Who looked after you in London?
Well, I started off in a Methodist hostel for young ladies. It was a Methodist hostel for young boys. And then I had a flat.
Presenter asks
Was your grant sufficient to take you through your studies, or did you have to do spare time jobs?
The recording
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Margaret Price
This download is the only extract the BBC has of this edition of Desert Island Discs. The presenter was Roy Plumley.
Presenter
Now, Miss Price, we know that you're Welsh. What part of Wales?
Margaret Price
Um well, what used to be Monmouthshire, and which is now Gwent, we are finally part of Wales.
Presenter
Bonnouthshire is indeed.
Margaret Price
It's now Wales.
Presenter
And we've established that you come from a musical family. Did you start taking music lessons yourself very early?
Margaret Price
Ah, I was taught piano.
Margaret Price
But not for very long, because I hated it and wouldn't practise, so my mother and father wouldn't.
Margaret Price
Um give me the money to continue.
Presenter
When did singing come into it?
Margaret Price
Not really until I was fourteen when um in the grammar school we had a music master there who heard me singing one day and tried to persuade me that I could perhaps take up a singing career.
Presenter
You were only fifteen when you won an open scholarship to Trinity College of Music in London.
Margaret Price
Yes.
Presenter
Who looked after you in London?
Margaret Price
Well, I started off in a Methodist hostel for young ladies.
Presenter
Yes, how was that?
Margaret Price
How was that?
Margaret Price
It was a Methodist hostel for young boys.
Presenter
They're comment, yeah.
Margaret Price
And then I had a flat.
Presenter
Yes.
Presenter
Was your grant sufficient to take you through your studies, or did you have to do spare time jobs?
Margaret Price
No. Uh the scholarship paid for tuition alone and because I won a scholarship the county wouldn't give me a grant and so my parents helped out and I also had to do jobs like uh Sunday church services and weddings and things.
Presenter
Yeah.
Margaret Price
Uh
Presenter
In fact, after only two years at college, when you were only seventeen, you made your debut with the recital at the Wigmore Hall.
Margaret Price
Yes.
Presenter
You were a Mezzo then, right?
Margaret Price
I was a medzo then, although in actual fact I sang Shepherd on the rock, which is
Margaret Price
Although it's not written for a mezzo, curiously enough it was written for the Leonora in Beethoven's Fidelia.
Presenter
Mm-hmm.
Margaret Price
But uh
Margaret Price
Even so, it's not a mezzo piece.
Presenter
What did that debut lead to?
Margaret Price
Nothing very much, in actual fact, because I was too young I was only about seventeen, as you've just said.
Presenter
Yes.
Margaret Price
So it didn't really produce anything.
Presenter
Well, you went on to win various prizes. How did you visualize your career in your student days? Was opera your ambition, or were you thinking in terms of the concert platform?
Margaret Price
No, again.
Margaret Price
Um I was really too young to know what I wanted to do.
Margaret Price
And when I left college at nineteen,
Margaret Price
Um I asked my professor, and he said, Well, don't worry, my dear, you'll find your own little niche somewhere in the world.
Margaret Price
So I then went to a friend who gave me a word of advice to perhaps go to John McCarthy.
Margaret Price
Um so I auditioned to him.
Margaret Price
and uh he took me on as one of the Ambrosian singers, and I did about eighteen months of session work.
Presenter
Yes. Uh recorded operas and films that are
Margaret Price
Yes, that's right. We did uh operas for EMI and Decker and things like that and film sessions and B B C.
Presenter
Mm-hmm.
Margaret Price
Stuff.
Presenter
Now appropriately enough you made your operatic debut with the Welsh National Opera Company.
Presenter
What was the road?
Margaret Price
Ah, Carabino.
Presenter
And you sang that again the following year at Cotton Garden under rather exciting circumstances.
Margaret Price
Hm. I was Theresa Berganza's understudy.
Margaret Price
And uh
Margaret Price
She was taken ill on Whit Monday and they couldn't really get anybody else to sing, so they had to put me on whether they want
Presenter
They wanted to or not. How much notice did you get?
Margaret Price
Um, they phoned up in the morning and I had to go on that evening.
Presenter
When was it that you met the man who's to be your partner, your accompanist, in in so many recital tours, James Lockhart?
Margaret Price
Uh, at Cavent Garden, when I auditioned for the understudy of Theresa Berganza. Mhm.
Margaret Price
That particular day he was the rehearsal pianist for these auditions.
Margaret Price
And it was funny really when I look back on it because I sang the most
Margaret Price
stupid aria for me really to have sung, which was Odon Fattale, with terrible Italian.
Margaret Price
And the second aria was Voique Sapete, which I'm afraid Jim and I came to grief over, because he went his way and I went mine. It was far too fast.
Margaret Price
And I mean we just had a, you know, a quarrel about it.
Margaret Price
And um then I had to go back a couple of days later to re-audition to Schulte.
Presenter
The boss
Margaret Price
The boss, yes. And um
Margaret Price
I had a different audition accompanied that day, and it was Bob Keys. So I turned round and I said to him, Well, I hope you're better than the last one, because I mean, he was absolutely terrible, he didn't follow me at all.
Presenter
Tour.
Margaret Price
So I said, Oh, don't worry, dear, I'll follow you.
Presenter
Yeah.
Presenter
Yes, and the man you quarreled with was to become your accomplice for the first time.
Margaret Price
That's right. We've had twelve years now of working together.
Presenter
What other operatic parts did you play?
Margaret Price
Zerlina in Don Giovanni
Presenter
I was next.
Margaret Price
That was the the next row.
Margaret Price
Then later on I sang Constanza at Gleinborn, which again was was um a debatable point as to whether I should sing it, because having started off as a mezzo soprano, I didn't really
Margaret Price
think that I had any high notes in my voice at all, and Constanza goes up to a top D.
Presenter
Yeah.
Margaret Price
But with careful work and things I found that the D was there, so I had very happy memories of singing that role at Gleinborn.
Presenter
Appears in Il Seraglio.
Margaret Price
Yeah.
Presenter
Yes. And then you sang Pamina and the magic flute. That was at the garden.
Margaret Price
That was at the garden, um and then I went on to sing it at San Francisco.
Presenter
Yes.
Presenter
It was, I think, in Cologne, in just four years ago, nineteen seventy one, that you had a success which really made a great difference to your career.
Margaret Price
Yes, that was singing Don Anna in Don Giovanni.
Presenter
Yeah.
Margaret Price
I had done the previous season Cosifantute in uh San Francisco.
Margaret Price
and worked for the first time with Jean Pierre Ponnell.
Margaret Price
and he persuaded me that I should sing Don Anna.
Margaret Price
And so eventually I did, and it was a very great opening for me.
No. Uh the scholarship paid for tuition alone and because I won a scholarship the county wouldn't give me a grant and so my parents helped out and I also had to do jobs like uh Sunday church services and weddings and things.
Presenter asks
How did you visualize your career in your student days? Was opera your ambition, or were you thinking in terms of the concert platform?
No, again. Um I was really too young to know what I wanted to do. And when I left college at nineteen, Um I asked my professor, and he said, Well, don't worry, my dear, you'll find your own little niche somewhere in the world. So I then went to a friend who gave me a word of advice to perhaps go to John McCarthy. Um so I auditioned to him. and uh he took me on as one of the Ambrosian singers, and I did about eighteen months of session work.
Presenter asks
When was it that you met the man who was to be your partner, your accompanist, in so many recital tours, James Lockhart?
Uh, at Cavent Garden, when I auditioned for the understudy of Theresa Berganza. Mhm. That particular day he was the rehearsal pianist for these auditions. And it was funny really when I look back on it because I sang the most stupid aria for me really to have sung, which was Odon Fattale, with terrible Italian. And the second aria was Voique Sapete, which I'm afraid Jim and I came to grief over, because he went his way and I went mine. It was far too fast. And I mean we just had a, you know, a quarrel about it. And um then I had to go back a couple of days later to re-audition to Schulte. The boss, yes. And um I had a different audition accompanied that day, and it was Bob Keys. So I turned round and I said to him, Well, I hope you're better than the last one, because I mean, he was absolutely terrible, he didn't follow me at all. So I said, Oh, don't worry, dear, I'll follow you.
“Um well, what used to be Monmouthshire, and which is now Gwent, we are finally part of Wales.”
“Not really until I was fourteen when um in the grammar school we had a music master there who heard me singing one day and tried to persuade me that I could perhaps take up a singing career.”
“No. Uh the scholarship paid for tuition alone and because I won a scholarship the county wouldn't give me a grant and so my parents helped out and I also had to do jobs like uh Sunday church services and weddings and things.”
“I was really too young to know what I wanted to do. And when I left college at nineteen, Um I asked my professor, and he said, Well, don't worry, my dear, you'll find your own little niche somewhere in the world.”