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Desert Island Discs
Presented by Roy Plomley
A reverend turned actor, best known for his stage and screen career, starting with understudying in Iris.
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In conversation
Presenter asks
What did you want to be when you were small?
I hadn't made up my mind. I thought I'd like to be an artist, but I wasn't good enough. My father was a very clever artist and a wonderful draftsman, but he wasn't a professional. But I wasn't good enough. And then when I got older, I decided I wanted to be an actor.
Presenter asks
Did you go to the theatre a lot as a child?
Oh yes. I we w we were taken to the theatre. Uh of course, I saw the pantomimes when I was very young. I suppose I saw Peter Pan when I was about eight. I lived just uh uh between uh Crouch End and Highgate. And our local theatre was The Marlborough at Hornsey. And I saw my first sophisticated play there, which I think was The Three Musketeers with Lewis Waller. Yes. And I'm not perfectly certain that that was the first. It could have been a a Fred Terry in The Scarlet Pimpernel.
Presenter asks
What did you do when you were demobilized [after the First World War]?
When I was demobilized I went into my father's firm, which is manufacturing opticians. And I hated every moment of it when I said I wanted to go in the theater. I I had two and a half years battle with my father. He said no. He said if you go out of my business on to the stage, you go out of my house as well. Which I finally did, with, I must admit, not without a penny in my pocket. I had some support from my mother. Good for her.
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Roland Culver
This download is the only extract the BBC has of this edition of Desert Island Discs. The presenter was Roy Plumley.
Roland Culver
Are you a Londoner, Reverend? I am, yes.
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Any president in the family for the theatre?
Roland Culver
Uh not really, no direct.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
Roland Culver
Family What
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What did you want to be when you were small?
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When I was small
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I hadn't made up my mind. I thought I'd like to be an artist, but I wasn't good enough. My father was a very clever artist and a wonderful draftsman, but he wasn't a professional. But I.
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Wasn't good enough. And then when I got older, I decided I wanted to be an actor.
Roland Culver
Did you go to the theatre a lot as a child?
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Oh yes. I we w we were taken to the theatre.
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Uh of course, I saw the pantomimes when I was very young.
Roland Culver
I'm not sure.
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Eight and nine. I suppose I saw Peter Pan when I was about eight.
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I lived just uh uh between uh Crouch End and Highgate.
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And our local theatre was The Marlborough at Hornsey. And I saw...
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Mm my first
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sophisticated play there, which I think
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Was the three musketeers with Lewis Waller. Yes. And
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I'm not perfectly certain that that was the first. It could have been.
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A a Fred Terry in the Scarlet Pimpernel.
Roland Culver
Uh
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In fact, when you left school, your first job was with the Royal Air Force because the First World War was still on. I was in the Air Force.
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But I I didn't get my wings. I wasn't in it long enough. What did you do when you were demobilized?
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When I was demobilized I went into my father's firm.
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which is manufacturing opticians. And I hated every moment of it when I said I wanted to go in the theater. I I had two and a half years battle with my father. He said no. He said if you go
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out of my business on to the stage, you go out of my house as well.
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Which I finally did, with, I must admit, not without a penny in my pocket. I had some support from my mother. Good for her. What did you do? How did you settle up? Well, I went to the Royal Academy of Dramatic Art, and uh I was given a scholarship in my second term, which saved my mother a little money.
Roland Culver
Well I
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Where I remained for four terms. What was your first professional engagement?
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Well, I I I think it was a tour during the summer holidays from the Academy, but that was insignificant and of no consequence. The first one that was really any significance was understudying
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Ivanovella in Iris, a Panero play in which Gladys Cooper was the leading lady. I also understudied the butler.
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On one occasion the butler was off. Well the butler was a man of six foot.
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and at that time
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I was only twenty four, and I had quite a lot of fair hair.
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Unlike the present.
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And
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I covered myself in lines and wrinkles and
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did everything I could.
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But Gladys Cooper hadn't been warned that the butler was off.
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And I had to announce various people, so and so, misses so and so,
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And I flung open the doors.
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Not my cure.
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and said, Lady and mister Push,
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And Gladys looked at me and said, Oh, my God
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Yeah.
Roland Culver
Ha ha ha ha.
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Uh
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Now, Roland, for getting on for fifty years, you've been working in the theatre and having your successes and failures, which have been the highlights. What was your first
Roland Culver
Success.
Roland Culver
Uh
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Well, my first Smash success.
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and everybody in the cast was a success.
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was of course Rattikin's French Without Tears. That was in nineteen thirty six. I did make a slight success in a thriller about a year before that distinguished gathering, but uh
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But nothing like French Without Tears and that
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It really carried us all to the high spots.
Roland Culver
How long did it run?
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Well, for me, I was in it two and a half years.
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Uh Katie Hammond.
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Decided to have a baby because she didn't want me in it any longer. At least, I don't know whether that was her reason, but anyway, that's what happened. And she left.
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Um somehow or other Rex Harrison got out of it, and I know he had a run-of-the-play contract, but he contrived to get out of it after about eighteen months.
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You were in several other Ratigan plays, too. Two other Ratigan. Who is Sylvia, which is a very amusing play.
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where I start at the age of
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thirty or something, go on to the age of eighty.
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And that was very amusing part.
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And then of course the big success was Deep Blue Sea with Peggy Ashcroft and Kenneth Moore.
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And um
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That was great fun. Well, it was a very, very sad play, but it was very, very interesting,'cause it was something I hadn't really done quite such a serious play since I was in repertory, that is.
Roland Culver
Let's have another highlight, pick another play that makes it
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Oh, well, I can easily do that, because it's the most beautiful production I've ever been in.
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Uh it was during the war.
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And that was An Ideal Husband by Oscar Wilde. And it was Rex Whistler's last.
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a piece of designing. He did the sets and he did the uh the dresses. I've never seen more beautiful dresses and I've never seen more beautiful sets for a play of that kind. It was absolutely gorgeous and it was a marvellous part I had too, Lord Goring. I loved every minute of it. And you made a a a
Roland Culver
Great success in five finger exercise.
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Yes, well that was an entirely different sort of player because hi that was an excellent player.
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And I was in that for nearly three years.
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I was fourteen months in England and eighteen months in America.
Roland Culver
You wrote one play which did quite well in the West End.
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I wrote a play. It ran only six weeks in the West End. It got a terrible press. It was just about the time when the critics were really going mad about drawing-room comedies. They really hated it.
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And or they were determined to hate it. Actually, I've got tape recordings of the r audience reaction and they s laugh all the way through, but it was a very light piece of nonsense about the Henley regatta.
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You called it a river breeze and I called it a river breeze.
Roland Culver
Have you written any more, please?
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No, I've got two that I'm got sort of halfway through both of them, and I haven't finished either yet. I hope I may finish one or both of them.
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By this time next year. What was the first film you have edited? Seven to seven Park Lane.
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I remember perfectly well that I got seven pounds a day for that, and I thought I was
Roland Culver
Getting a fortune.
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Yeah.
Roland Culver
Yes. Well, let's talk about some of the good ones. Not that 7-7 Park Lane wasn't a good one, but let's talk, for example, about the film version of French Without Tears.
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Well that was a beautiful production. I'm only sorry it wasn't in colour. It was very well done.
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and it was highly successful. It was one of the reasons that I was invited to go to Hollywood.
Roland Culver
Yeah.
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And then, of course, quiet wedding you were in? The quiet wedding I was in. That was just at the beginning of the war, I think.
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Uh as far as I remember, because I remember an air raid. Well, we were doing it at uh we were doing it on the river somewhere.
Roland Culver
Uh
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Uh
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Of course the the w the wartime films that you were in uh were singularly successful, first to the few.
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First of the few was very successful one, yes.
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And Secret Mission was another one I did, which was also a war film, which was very good.
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And then you went off to Hollywood. You had quite a spell there, quite a few years. I was there from 1945 to 1949. I first went there to play in Twitch's Own with Olivia de Havilland. Yes.
Roland Culver
Uh
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And uh then I came home because I'd already agreed to a picture before I went to Hollywood.
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Then I did that.
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And then I went back to Hollywood and did uh Down to Earth with Rita Haworth. Did you enjoy Hollywood? I must say that I am a very lazy person naturally, and if I can play golf every day, which I did, I lived in a house overlooking the Riviera golf course, and I was a member of the club.
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I played golf all day. There was a swimming pool. Weather's always marvellous.
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I of course some of the publicity and the boredom of the Hollywood thing of course that is true, but by and large it's a damn good life. As long as one isn't there forever. You were in a a Bob Hope picture? I was in the Bob Hope. That was the last picture I made. They were called A Great Lover.
Roland Culver
Yes.
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And one Crosby fixed. And then Paramount got me under contract to do this thing with
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Bing. What was that?
Roland Culver
Present.
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Mm-hmm.
Roland Culver
Uh
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for six weeks to Jasper National Park, which is in the Rockies.
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It was supposed to be the Tyrrell.
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And uh there was a beautiful golf course just outside the hotel we were staying in, and we just played golf practically every day.
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Very nice life it's au.
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You've done a lot of television through the years.
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Yes, particularly the last two or three years. I have done an uh quite a large amount of television. You've had a great success recently as the Duke of Omnium in the palaces. Yes, well, that was great fun doing that. I thoroughly enjoyed it.
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Uh I work for both the directors.
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Before, and they're both very helpful. How many episodes were you in?
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twelve.
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I have finished in the fifteenth.
Roland Culver
How long did each episode take to film?
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We were in the studio for two days, as a rule. We rehearsed for
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on an average ten days.
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Once or twice we rehearsed longer, but we didn't only do one episode at a t
Roland Culver
Time. And of course you had some gorgeous locations and stately homes.
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Well we went to several lovely stately homes and I can't regre remember all their names, I regret to say.
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But one of them
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made me become a member of the National Trust. That is, I desire to become a member as a result.
Presenter asks
What was your first professional engagement?
Well, I I I think it was a tour during the summer holidays from the Academy, but that was insignificant and of no consequence. The first one that was really any significance was understudying Ivanovella in Iris, a Panero play in which Gladys Cooper was the leading lady. I also understudied the butler. On one occasion the butler was off. Well the butler was a man of six foot, and at that time I was only twenty four, and I had quite a lot of fair hair. Unlike the present. And I covered myself in lines and wrinkles and did everything I could. But Gladys Cooper hadn't been warned that the butler was off. And I had to announce various people, so and so, misses so and so, And I flung open the doors. Not my cure. and said, Lady and mister Push, And Gladys looked at me and said, Oh, my God.
Presenter asks
What was your first success?
Well, my first Smash success. and everybody in the cast was a success. was of course Rattikin's French Without Tears. That was in nineteen thirty six. I did make a slight success in a thriller about a year before that distinguished gathering, but uh But nothing like French Without Tears and that It really carried us all to the high spots.
Presenter asks
Did you enjoy Hollywood?
I must say that I am a very lazy person naturally, and if I can play golf every day, which I did, I lived in a house overlooking the Riviera golf course, and I was a member of the club. I played golf all day. There was a swimming pool. Weather's always marvellous. I of course some of the publicity and the boredom of the Hollywood thing of course that is true, but by and large it's a damn good life. As long as one isn't there forever.
“I hadn't made up my mind. I thought I'd like to be an artist, but I wasn't good enough. My father was a very clever artist and a wonderful draftsman, but he wasn't a professional. But I wasn't good enough. And then when I got older, I decided I wanted to be an actor.”
“I had two and a half years battle with my father. He said no. He said if you go out of my business on to the stage, you go out of my house as well.”
“My first Smash success. and everybody in the cast was a success. was of course Rattikin's French Without Tears.”
“I am a very lazy person naturally, and if I can play golf every day, which I did, I lived in a house overlooking the Riviera golf course, and I was a member of the club. I played golf all day.”
“I of course some of the publicity and the boredom of the Hollywood thing of course that is true, but by and large it's a damn good life. As long as one isn't there forever.”