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Desert Island Discs
Presented by Roy Plomley
Track athlete who specialized in the 400 metres and represented England at the Empire Games.
Eight records
The keepsakes
The luxury
Not recorded.
In conversation
Presenter asks
Where were you born, Lillian?
I was born in South Africa.
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How old were you when you came to England?
Fifteen months old.
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Where did you go to school?
Saint Paul's Primary School in Manchester, Withington.
Presenter asks
Was either of your parents an athlete?
No, not really. Um the whole family has always been very keen on f sport, especially my father. My brother and my twin sister, Irene, have always been very keen on swimming, but I had more ability for athletics, and so whichever sport I took to, my father would naturally take an interest in.
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Lillian Board
This download is the only end.
Presenter
Extract the BBC has of this edition of Desert Island Dis
Lillian Board
Disks.
Presenter
Yeah.
Lillian Board
The presenter was Roy Plumley.
Presenter
Where were you born, Lydia?
Lillian Board
I was born in South Africa.
Presenter
How old were you when you came to England?
Lillian Board
Fifteen months old.
Presenter
Well see we don't remember much about the union.
Lillian Board
I don't remember South Africa at all, which is a great pity.
Presenter
Where did you go to school?
Lillian Board
Saint Paul's Primary School in Manchester, Withington.
Presenter
Mm. And then you came down top.
Lillian Board
We came to London when I was seven.
Lillian Board
My father's a tunnel bricklayer, and most of the work at that time was in the south.
Presenter
Yes. Was either of your parents an athlete?
Lillian Board
No, not really. Um the whole family has always been very keen on f sport, especially my father. My brother and my twin sister, Irene, have always been very keen on swimming, but I had more ability for athletics, and so whichever sport I took to, my father would naturally take an interest in.
Presenter
But I
Presenter
Yes. When did you start taking interest in in athletics?
Lillian Board
When I was twelve in fact, I was at um a senior school for girls at the time and the school in fact didn't participate in athletics, but we had a student teacher visit the school on teaching's training practice and she saw that I was reasonably good at gymnastics and most sports and asked me if I'd like to join the athletic club of which she was a member.
Presenter
Of which
Lillian Board
Well, this thrilled me, because I'd always intended that I should join an athletic club sometime or later.
Lillian Board
It turned out to be earlier than anticipated.
Presenter
And you used to train after school.
Lillian Board
Always after school, yes. Twice a week and once on a Sunday morning.
Presenter
Now, uh when you were a youngster, what events were you training for?
Lillian Board
Well when I s joined the club it was primarily for sprinting. It was my ambition to be a hundred metre runner, a hundred yards as it was then. But I rather enjoyed playing in the sand, so I used to have dabble at high jump and long jump. I had a bash at the discus, but I was useless at that. I was useless at the javelin. I had no no coordination at all, so I soon dropped that. But I did keep going with the long jump.
Presenter
Right.
Presenter
What what was your first success?
Lillian Board
What what was your third?
Lillian Board
At the long jump, in fact, when I was 14, my first major success, I won the All-English Schools, and this delighted me. I'd been.
Presenter
Uh
Lillian Board
Sprinting and really just doing long jump as a B event, but it turned out that I was better at long jumping than I was at sprinting. Pure sprinting that is.
Presenter
What was your first success outside school event?
Lillian Board
Outside school would be in the British Championships in nineteen sixty six. By this time I'd moved up to the four hundred metres because I couldn't make the team as a sprinter the British team.
Presenter
Yes.
Lillian Board
And in fact, I'd been eliminated in the semifinal of the four hundred, but this particular year was the Empire Games in Jamaica, and because I happened to have the third fastest time for an English girl, it meant I was eligible to compete in the Empire Games, so really this was my first success.
Presenter
It really
Presenter
Yes, and you became at once an international
Lillian Board
I mean international, yes.
Presenter
Now your father was training you.
Lillian Board
From the word go, yes, when I started running at the age of twelve.
Presenter
Uh
Lillian Board
Um my father decided he he liked to come along, learn about it. He he knew obviously what an international man should be doing, but he wasn't quite certain what a girl of twelve should be doing in times, that is, for her age.
Presenter
Yeah.
Lillian Board
So he he read practically every book available on athletics. He took um lessons, took exams, he's now a fully qualified coach.
Presenter
Okay.
Lillian Board
And if I may say so, I think an excellent coach.
Presenter
But he certainly made a job out of you.
Lillian Board
Thank you.
Presenter
How many evenings a week? How many evenings a week do you train?
Lillian Board
What a job.
Lillian Board
Um, it varies actually. I usually set it or rather my father and I set a schedule together for seven nights a week in the winter, although certain things prevail and I can't always train the full seven days. I usually train though I should say about six times a week in the winter. This used to consist of three times a week weight training and three or four times a week running on the track or over cross country or sometimes on the roads.
Presenter
Hmm.
Lillian Board
But I have been suffering from a bad back over the last few months, so this year will be the first year in four that I won't be doing weight training at all. I shall be t sticking to running.
Presenter
Now you were selected for the Commonwealth Games in 1966 in Jamaica. How did you do?
Lillian Board
I came fifth in the final.
Presenter
And the next year, sixty seven, you had a fine success in Los Angeles.
Lillian Board
Yes, um that was my first international match of the year, and I went to Los Angeles to represent the Commonwealth in a match against America, and on paper I really didn't stand a chance at all, because I was competing
Lillian Board
against the best three girls in the world, Judy Pollock, who was the world record holder at the time, heading the list. And I was terrified out of my mind. I was so nervous. I was so much slower than these girls. And I think looking back on it now, they had all the pressure on them. I wasn't given a chance. And probably because of this I I ran right through them and was able to win.
Presenter
Yes. And that year you went to Russia for the first time.
Lillian Board
I went to Russia for the first time in the Europa Cup. I also visited Montreal for a match against the Western Hemisphere at the time I was representing Europe. I visited several um, continental countries, communist countries, and I visited Cuba.
Presenter
In fact, it was a successful year to the extent that you won the national championship and eight out of ten international races.
Lillian Board
Yes, I did.
Presenter
And overshadowing everything of course was the realization that the Olympics at Mexico City were coming up next year.
Lillian Board
Very much so you can't do it.
Presenter
Were you told very much in advance that you had been picked?
Lillian Board
No, no, we weren't.
Lillian Board
Um
Lillian Board
The final selection was made on august fourth, nineteen sixty eight, and the first batch, so to speak, of athletes leaving for Mexico left on September the fifteenth. So there wasn't an awful lot of time for athletes to prepare.
Presenter
See,
Lillian Board
But I suppose some of us had an idea we would be going anyway.
Presenter
Yes. Well, in June 1968, you'd moved up to the top of the world list, so that must have clinched it for you. What took you to the top of the list?
Lillian Board
I was competing in Moscow at the time in a four hundred meters international.
Lillian Board
And I happened to win in a time of fifty three point five, which wasn't particularly outstanding as the times go, but for the time of year, that is, it was very good well, reasonably good.
Presenter
Well we
Presenter
Mexico City, october, nineteen sixty eight. Was there any conflict? Your father was training you, and now of course the national coaches wanted to work on you. Did this prevent uh present any kind of problem?
Lillian Board
No, not really. Um for the last couple of years there has been some conflict inasmuch as the press are always slating my father, always telling me I would do a lot better to get a national coach. But I'm quite happy with the results as they are at the moment.
Presenter
I should think so.
Lillian Board
Um when I went to Mexico, my father was there, in fact, but merely as a spectator, to watch the end product, so to speak. He'd coached me for so long, and he wanted to see how I would fare. But there was no question of anyone intercepting. Um
Lillian Board
I was quite happy to be advised by the national coaches while I was in Mexico, and Daddy it um didn't interfere in the least. He had no reason to. The work had been done, it was just m a matter of carrying out a few more training sessions before the big day.
Presenter
Yes. On form it was your raise.
Lillian Board
So everybody kept telling me, unfortunately. I wasn't really aware of any pressure before the Olympics, except for the fact that I was there a month before the actual Olympic Games and I think nearly every day my picture appeared in one of the Mexican newspapers. I was constantly being interviewed. Who are your main rivals? Who do you think was going to give you the best race? This worried me a little bit because as I kept telling them it was an Olympics, it was anybody's race and I wasn't just being m modest, I was facing facts, but they wouldn't listen to me, they had to have their story. So consequently when the race was over and I had in fact won a silver, they they kept accentuating the negative rather than the positive. They kept on about the gold medal that I'd lost rather than the silver that I'd won, which I thought was rather unfair.
Presenter
Hero.
Presenter
He won the semi-final on a flooded track.
Lillian Board
Yes.
Presenter
You were second and the final did anything upset you? Was it the climate? The h
Lillian Board
Nothing upset me. Nothing went wrong. If I could r um run that race again, I wouldn't change a thing. I would just hope that Colette Besson wouldn't come up on me.
Presenter
That's it.
Presenter
Carlotte Berson, um who was first, you've beaten her since.
Lillian Board
I've beaten her twice since actually, yes, I beat her in Middlesbrough earlier than this year and I just managed by the skin of my teeth to beat her in Athens, so at the moment the score is 2-1 and I've got a horrible feeling that she's going to try and equal it before long.
Presenter
Yeah.
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Yeah.
Presenter asks
When did you start taking interest in athletics?
When I was twelve in fact, I was at um a senior school for girls at the time and the school in fact didn't participate in athletics, but we had a student teacher visit the school on teaching's training practice and she saw that I was reasonably good at gymnastics and most sports and asked me if I'd like to join the athletic club of which she was a member.
Presenter asks
What was your first success?
At the long jump, in fact, when I was 14, my first major success, I won the All-English Schools, and this delighted me.
Presenter asks
What was your first success outside school event?
Outside school would be in the British Championships in nineteen sixty six. By this time I'd moved up to the four hundred metres because I couldn't make the team as a sprinter the British team. And in fact, I'd been eliminated in the semifinal of the four hundred, but this particular year was the Empire Games in Jamaica, and because I happened to have the third fastest time for an English girl, it meant I was eligible to compete in the Empire Games, so really this was my first success.
Presenter asks
How many evenings a week do you train?
Um, it varies actually. I usually set it or rather my father and I set a schedule together for seven nights a week in the winter, although certain things prevail and I can't always train the full seven days. I usually train though I should say about six times a week in the winter. This used to consist of three times a week weight training and three or four times a week running on the track or over cross country or sometimes on the roads.
Presenter asks
You were selected for the Commonwealth Games in 1966 in Jamaica. How did you do?
I came fifth in the final.
Presenter asks
Was there any conflict between your father training you and the national coaches at the Mexico City Olympics?
No, not really. Um for the last couple of years there has been some conflict inasmuch as the press are always slating my father, always telling me I would do a lot better to get a national coach. But I'm quite happy with the results as they are at the moment. Um when I went to Mexico, my father was there, in fact, but merely as a spectator, to watch the end product, so to speak. He'd coached me for so long, and he wanted to see how I would fare. But there was no question of anyone intercepting. Um I was quite happy to be advised by the national coaches while I was in Mexico, and Daddy it um didn't interfere in the least. He had no reason to. The work had been done, it was just m a matter of carrying out a few more training sessions before the big day.
Presenter asks
Did anything upset you in the Olympic final? Was it the climate?
Nothing upset me. Nothing went wrong. If I could r um run that race again, I wouldn't change a thing. I would just hope that Colette Besson wouldn't come up on me.
“I was terrified out of my mind. I was so nervous. I was so much slower than these girls. And I think looking back on it now, they had all the pressure on them. I wasn't given a chance. And probably because of this I I ran right through them and was able to win.”
“Consequently when the race was over and I had in fact won a silver, they they kept accentuating the negative rather than the positive. They kept on about the gold medal that I'd lost rather than the silver that I'd won, which I thought was rather unfair.”
“If I could r um run that race again, I wouldn't change a thing. I would just hope that Colette Besson wouldn't come up on me.”