Lady Diana Cooper

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Speaker 20:24

Lady Diana, as a child you used to stay with your grandfather, the Duke of Rutland, at Beaver Castle. You must have experienced there a kind of life that just doesn't go on any more.

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The

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The tragedy, uh mustn't talk French, the um uh life.

Speaker 20:39

Yeah.

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Yes. Could not be more diff vast staff of um

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The hell.

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upholsterers and carpenters and

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the foresters and uh

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Even sawmill. I don't know, every single

Speaker 10:55

Yeah.

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thing that made up a whole community, you know. And enough

Speaker 11:01

Even that

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Enough staff to make a choir in the chapel.

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Terrible choir, but still it was a choir.

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of um housemates and

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Footman and

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And then um

Speaker 21:17

There were night watchmen on the estate, too, were there not?

Lady Diana Cooper1:20

They were the yes, they were the night watchmen. I don't know whether they exist at all to day.

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But we had great comfort at night.

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Hearing the gravel

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Crunch.

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under the night watchman's foot,

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and he'd call out

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Past twelve o'clock.

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All's well.

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And that gave us comfort.

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But what didn't give us comfort was if we went trolling along the passages after dark,

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And it was completely dark.

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We used to go up to bed with uh candles and extinguishers.

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And so when once we'd all gone to bed, if you went out in the passage and met the night watchman indoors, that was terrifying.

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Because he had padded feet.

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and um sort of bullseye lantern.

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And you'd get an osteophreyte there.

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But uh the the outs the outside watchman's very calm.

Speaker 22:19

There was no indoor illumination apart from oil.

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And

Speaker 22:23

Yeah.

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and an oil man and two candlemen.

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Bathrooms, hot water.

Speaker 22:29

The

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Not a suspicion. There was uh what we now call Lewes.

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But no bathroom of any kind. My mother did all that when when I was fifteen already. I mean, up to my age of fifteen, there was nothing.

Speaker 12:41

No.

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Because my grandfather lived to be very old.

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and he never put in anything.

Speaker 22:49

Your education included a a first rate grounding in all the arts. Your your mother was a very talented artist, wasn't she?

Lady Diana Cooper2:55

She was very talented both in drawing and in sculpture.

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And in music?

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And uh

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She had very great taste.

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And a lot of things were common.

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Even tomatoes were rather common.

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Um I still use the word common, meaning something quite different from what people mean today.

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Oh, kinda that's coming.

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You can't hold somebody's hand, that's common.

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Um

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And uh then she taught us

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Well, all day long she played the piano.

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Not all that well.

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but plodding away at a score

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and generally Wagner.

Speaker 23:41

You studied at the Slade School yourself?

Lady Diana Cooper3:45

Well, I studied this slate school really more for fun and for a very short time and I lived in Gower Street at those days and it was next door to Gower Street and we had tonks.

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as the master and we had a man who I learned to love, who was called Ambrose McEvoy.

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Who is hardly known now?

Speaker 14:03

That's

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and he was on the staff of teaching us.

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But um

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I was never very good. No, I was never good.

Speaker 24:12

But

Speaker 24:13

As a family you mixed with many people in the theatre.

Lady Diana Cooper4:16

Very much so.

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Because we were brought up almost

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almost totally with the tree family.

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The children were roughly the same age.

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And we had run of the theater.

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and could go whenever we liked and this was encouraged.

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From the age of five, I suppose, I went to Julius Caesar.

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and used to go on the stage, always, with the crowd.

Speaker 24:42

Mm-hmm. This must have been exciting.

Lady Diana Cooper4:44

Oh, wonderful, yes. Yes, Susa, we'll lend you our years. Yes, we'll lend you our ears.

Speaker 24:48

And rhubarb rhubarb.

Lady Diana Cooper4:51

They're not reverting, they're following the man.

Speaker 14:52

Uh

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Oh, Paul Caesar.

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Oh, poor Caesar Oh, look at his wounds

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It was like that. And then we used to um

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Always be in Miss Sir Herbert Tree's dressing room.

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on his most nervous moments, I suppose, playing with his rings and

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Saying, can we see your beard put on Mr. Dadd I used to call him Mr. Daddy,'cause the children called him Daddy, and you couldn't say anything but Mr. before everybody.

Speaker 15:18

Uh

Lady Diana Cooper5:21

Hello, mister Derry.

Lady Diana Cooper5:23

Can I see you put your beard on?

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And he was so patient and so good with this

Speaker 25:29

After you came out, you had a reputation for being one of the wild ones, one of the first of the bright young things.

Lady Diana Cooper5:35

Yes, it's very difficult to believe why, but I suppose I did.

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I suppose I did, and I don't quite know why, but I always had publicity.

Speaker 25:46

There's a very pleasant story of you at a London function at which the guest of honour was the Crown Prince of Germany, a function at which medals were to be worn.

Speaker 25:56

and I believe you wore yours.

Lady Diana Cooper5:57

I wore my um bath club medals, that's all I had.

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but I bought another to make them look freshier.

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which was a old Saint Esprit.

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And nobody said don't. I can't think why my mother said you can't wear your bath club medals. Everybody else was showing their gongs, you know, and here was I with my bath club, half a mile, quarter mile, whole mile.

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And very naturally the crowd little Willie

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as he came to be known.

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And

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Naturally they always do royalty. They've seen medals, you know, they

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Great thing to look at.

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So he looked at these metals and was enormously surprised.

Speaker 16:36

Yeah.

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Which uh were the result that I had a long talk with him'cause he was so amused by these medals.

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wouldn't have am I don't think it would have amused a civilian, as it were, but you know, somebody who's a soldier and who's a

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King.

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I was always fascinated by m

Speaker 26:57

Bitters.

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So therefore I got her off with him.

Speaker 27:01

In the first war you were a nurse.

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In the first war I went to guys.

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Guy's hospital very much against anybody's will.

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Terrible to do that was.

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Because I was determined to go.

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And then the ladies used to be brought to me to tell me that I'd be raped.

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Because um, all soldiers coming back for the war just

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could handle the nurses as they liked.

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Total law, totally untrue. Anyway, I was in the civilian branch.

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With cancer, not with war wounds.

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And I was happy at Guy's, but it was very, very hard.

Speaker 27:38

I'm sure it was.

Speaker 27:39

And after the war you married a young man in the Foreign Office who was later to be a statesman and historian, Mr Darf Cooper, who became Lord Norridge.

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Yeah.

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And there was a trouble, too.

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Because they didn't like him very much.

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and they'd expected better of me.

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But they soon realized

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sweetly realized that they were wrong and then

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My husband became what they liked very much, but it was a member of parliament and they hadn't had a member of parliament in the

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family for a long time.

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And then as he graduated to being a minister, then he we had the king's rooms and we had everything.

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of the best we will

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The favoured ones then.

Speaker 28:23

Now, you were beautiful and popular and talented and a leading figure in London society. This gave you the

Speaker 28:31

status, the popular status that today is accorded only to an international film star, didn't it?

Lady Diana Cooper8:38

It's very nice of you to say so. I wouldn't put it quite as high as that.

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But I had enough uh publicity.

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and one duck can't quite tell what gives one publicity.

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But I had it, and I disliked it rather.

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But I didn't dislike it when it gave me the miracle.

Speaker 28:57

Yes. Well, before that you did in fact become a film star, didn't you?

Lady Diana Cooper9:00

Oh yes, but I've forgotten it. It was so bad. It was a silent film. Yes. And it was done by a very nice man who'd been turned out of Hollywood Hollywood as Too Bad.

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To go on.

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And uh I did two films, but I don't really like to remember them very much.

Speaker 29:18

Was it as a result of these two films that you got the invitation to play The Madonna in The Miracle?

Lady Diana Cooper9:23

Yeah.

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I think that Reinhardt

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When it was suggested that I should play The Miracle, I asked to see the film.

Lady Diana Cooper9:31

I see.

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And he said

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escape or something, but I don't think he was interested in the films.

Speaker 29:37

As a child, had you seen the original London London production of the piece?

Lady Diana Cooper9:39

Yeah.

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I had. I'd seen it at Olympia.

Speaker 29:42

Had it made a big effect on you?

Lady Diana Cooper9:44

Ah, yes, and it's also had the effect, you see, that when I was offered it I felt I can do that.

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Because I shan't have to say anything. And it was such a wonderful

Speaker 19:52

Uh

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break. Yes. I feel anybody can get away with it if if they don't have to

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Have elocution.

Speaker 210:00

Yes, it it was a big musical spectacle.

Lady Diana Cooper10:03

Well in in in Olympia it was circus, it was horses.

Speaker 210:07

Mm-hmm.

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And it was enormous, you could imagine.

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But even in America it was very large.

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And in a huge theater which was built like a cathedral.

Speaker 110:14

And

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with um stained glass windows all the way around.

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and the pillars themselves were made the whole way round so that the audience could go on to the

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Johnson.

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and walk around after the show was over. Yes. So that it was total on pews, you see, like that.

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But it was so big

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that if you when you played the nun, you had to have

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Hello.

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Dressing rooms the other end to change into.

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And when we did it in Dartmoon, we had motor cars like Olympia to take us

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Inside.

Speaker 210:55

take you from the stage to your dressing room.

Lady Diana Cooper10:57

Well, wh wherever the dressing room was.

Speaker 211:00

How many seasons did you do the miracle?

Lady Diana Cooper11:03

Well, I did it about four in America, I think.

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And then uh we went to Buddha paste and prayed

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And Vienna.

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and dark moon

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And then later, much later in England and the problem.

Speaker 211:17

Yeah.

Lady Diana Cooper11:18

Thank you.

Speaker 211:18

At the Lyceum.

Speaker 211:20

As the Madonna, you had to stay motionless on.

Lady Diana Cooper11:24

Yes, I had to stay motionless for a really long time. About an hour.

Speaker 211:24

Yeah.

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But

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Uh

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Uh

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Yes, but on the other hand, you see you can

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You can do it if you're being looked at.

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But I could never do it.

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In Rahas

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But the mere fact is everybody waiting for you to move.

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Keeps you pretty stationary.

Speaker 211:46

A great strain, nevertheless.

Lady Diana Cooper11:48

Get used to it.

Speaker 211:50

Lynn Harding, who was in the in the London production, once told me of your courage in c still keeping perfectly.

Speaker 211:57

Still while an insect rolled on your face.

Lady Diana Cooper12:00

Well, I don't think the insect uh strolled over my face. The insect was inside my crown.

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And that was hurting more than I can tell you.

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And uh I had to invent things. My husband was in America.

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um making his first lecture there and I had to go on saying

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If I can bear this, it'll be a good lecture.

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That otherwise it was

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Awful there,'cause you know not to not to move and

Speaker 112:27

Yeah.

Lady Diana Cooper12:29

Something's irritating you to that extent, and another night I fainted.

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And that was very bad too, because I knew that when I fell, if I did fall.

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I'd fall on electric spiked candles which would rob me of my sight.

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And so I went on praying to God, of course, and to

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biting the inside of my lip and hoping something would happen.

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And there's no curtain, so that if any disaster of that kind happens,

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Nothing to be done except put the lights out.

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and it was prohibition at the time.

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However, they got me out. They put the lights out and they

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carried me off the stage and poured brandy down my throat and then put me up again.

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And I've got a

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Brandy was wonderful and did the trick.

Speaker 213:16

Did the audience realize that they accepted as the majority of the people who were in the middle of the middle?

Lady Diana Cooper13:17

Yeah.

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Oh yeah, I can figure it out.

Speaker 213:23

All those hundreds of performances of the miracle

Speaker 213:26

Constituted your entire career on the stage, didn't you? Did you not want to become a professional actress after that? Well.

Lady Diana Cooper13:33

Yeah.

Speaker 213:34

Uh Hello?

Lady Diana Cooper13:34

I always thought I wasn't equipped at all because although it was

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I had the wonderful advantage of Reinhardt as a teacher.

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I knew that I hadn't produced my voice in any way and

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No, I don't think I did, besides which there was too much going on now with my married life and with tough

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becoming a

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States um politician and uh

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Then a minute

Speaker 214:03

Yes, you spent it.

Lady Diana Cooper14:04

It all went on. I spent my time at that really.

Speaker 214:07

You travelled with him a lot.

Lady Diana Cooper14:08

Yeah, travelled with him a lot and you know, there are a lot of things that go with it with the constituency work and all that.

Speaker 214:14

Yeah.

Speaker 214:15

He was first lord of the admiralty in the thirties.

Lady Diana Cooper14:18

Well, he was first, um

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War Office.

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And after War Office he was First Lord.

Speaker 214:27

Yeah. Yeah.

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and resigned at the time of Munich.

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and resigned at the time of Munich to his

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Everlasting honour.

Speaker 214:34

What happened when the second war broke out?

Lady Diana Cooper14:37

Well, when the Second War broke out, uh he had anyway, having resigned, he had um

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And uh

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just about the time of the war.

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And then he didn't know what to do, and he went to see Mr. Chamberlain. Mr. Chamberlain.

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who never really liked him, I don't think.

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Thought he ought to be a soldier, but poor Duff had still got putties and a same brown belt. No, it didn't work.

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And so he thought, But I'll go and I'll talk to America about

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The war. Mr. Chamberlain said, No, don't talk about the war. Don't

Lady Diana Cooper15:19

No, no, that would never never do.

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And then Duff thought, Well, he can't go on talking about English literature or something, so he did talk about the ball.

Speaker 215:28

And we had a very successful

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And we had a very successful and a magnificent tour right across America.

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with very successful lectures on the war.

Lady Diana Cooper15:37

Mm. Same people who want to stay out always are drawn in.

Speaker 215:42

And you went to the Far East.

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Shortly after that.

Lady Diana Cooper15:45

Um yes.

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S so uh yes, we went on to make a report on the Far East.

Lady Diana Cooper15:53

which took us to live in Singapore and then to go long outings to India and Burma and to Australia and New Zealand.

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And that I enjoyed very, very much. It was enormously interesting. And then we left ten days before Singapore fell.

Speaker 216:10

He went right round the world on that occasion.

Lady Diana Cooper16:12

Yeah.

Speaker 216:14

And when you return to England?

Lady Diana Cooper16:16

Er, when I returned to England, well then there was a small holding life.

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With the

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which I enjoyed enormously too, which was uh three acres and a cow.

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and um many more animals than one was allowed.

Speaker 216:31

Yes, who did all the work yourself?

Lady Diana Cooper16:33

Yes.

Lady Diana Cooper16:34

Couldn't ever leave because of the cow.

Lady Diana Cooper16:37

Can't I believe a cow?

Speaker 216:38

Of course.

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Uh your husband was Minister of Information.

Lady Diana Cooper16:43

Mm-hmm.

Speaker 216:44

And then after the war?

Lady Diana Cooper16:48

Yeah.

Lady Diana Cooper16:50

Forgotten? Oh, well then after the war of course was Algiers.

Lady Diana Cooper16:53

We went to Al Jazeers.

Speaker 116:55

Mm.

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In Fort Four.

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And there we stayed about eight or nine months till the war was over. And the idea was that he should be ambassador in Paris after the war,'cause by that time doom was over.

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And we knew the world.

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Must end.

Speaker 217:12

Yes.

Lady Diana Cooper17:13

And I loved Algiers.

Lady Diana Cooper17:15

One f

Speaker 217:16

And then you he became first post-war ambassador to France. Yes.

Speaker 217:22

What had happened to the embassy during the occupation?

Lady Diana Cooper17:25

The embassy had been entirely chock-a-block full of every conceivable thing. I mean, not only the British Empire furniture, but the British Empire

Lady Diana Cooper17:35

Sports and hockey sticks and sponges. I I you can't imagine the stuff that there wasn't in that Emerson. It took three m

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Two months to get it out.

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And then at last we got in.

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And then I liked it very much. I hadn't been very happy before,'cause I hated leaving Algiers, funnily enough. Although the war was over,

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But um

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Then we got into the embassy and we were enormously helped by wonderful

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Little Oat Boiem Crowd of

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People like

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Louis de Ville Moran, Jean Cocteau, and

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All that

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A little world of uh art and music.

Lady Diana Cooper18:21

Who made it?

Lady Diana Cooper18:23

Very successful.

Speaker 218:24

After your husband's time as ambassador in Paris, you stayed on to live in France.

Lady Diana Cooper18:30

Yes, we had we took a lovely house in the park of Chanty.

Lady Diana Cooper18:34

with cascades and fountains which appeared to belong to the house. They didn't really, they belonged to the great chateau.

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But we

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We live like uh

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Oh, old kings of France in this park

Speaker 218:47

Yeah.

Lady Diana Cooper18:48

And that was a very happy time. Very, very happy time.

Speaker 218:50

Yeah.

Speaker 218:52

And then you wrote three memorable volumes of reminiscences.

Lady Diana Cooper18:58

Well, that was after my husband died I wrote the memoirs.

Lady Diana Cooper19:02

And uh they turned out I didn't know I didn't hadn't the slightest idea how to write, I'd never written.

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And just by the grace of God I they came off.

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and I was heartily ashamed of them at the time, and now I've got very fond of them.

Speaker 219:19

You live in London now?

Lady Diana Cooper19:20

Now I live in London, in a place called Little Venice.

Speaker 219:24

Yes.

Lady Diana Cooper19:25

where I'm always pleased that I live there because I have wonderful neighbours.

Lady Diana Cooper19:31

And my son lives there, and my niece lives there.

Lady Diana Cooper19:34

And I've got a b uh the neighbors are perfect and it's very pretty.

Speaker 219:40

Do you think London has changed very much for the worse?

Lady Diana Cooper19:43

Yes.

Lady Diana Cooper19:44

Enormously, don't you?

Lady Diana Cooper19:46

Enormously.

Speaker 219:47

Yeah.

Lady Diana Cooper19:48

I think it's terrible that they didn't put all those huge buildings on the other side of the river.

Lady Diana Cooper19:54

and make made a new New York, which would have been very fine.

Lady Diana Cooper19:58

Instead of making all our pretty houses into pathetic pygmies.

Lady Diana Cooper20:04

And uh oh, yes, I think it's changed cruelly to look at.

Speaker 220:08

Having been a swinging teenager yourself, do you think they're overdoing it to day?

Lady Diana Cooper20:15

It's too difficult a question.

Lady Diana Cooper20:18

I don't think I know,'cause i as you tell me, I was swinging then and I didn't know it.

Speaker 220:23

Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha.

Lady Diana Cooper20:25

I don't suppose they know it either.

Lady Diana Cooper20:28

No, I don't think they are. I think they're all right.

Speaker 120:33

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