Goldie Hawn

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My castaway this week is Goldie Horne, regarded as Hollywood's prototype Dizzy Blonde, but, like most things in Tinseltown, the image is somewhat at odds with the reality. An Academy Award winner and producer, and now educational philanthropist, she has been on the A-list for forty-odd years, starring alongside Peter Sellers, Walter Mattow, and Woody Allen. Now transmuted from fantasy pin-up to best-selling author, she writes parenting manuals and spearheads a childhood learning initiative. So, how on earth did she manage to make the journey from dancing in sleazy go-go bars to bagging an Oscar and an Emmy, and then practising modalities of Eastern philosophy? She says, I had developed an inflated view of myself. It came as such a relief to be given permission not to be perfect.

Presenter1:22

Well, you do, to use doctor's terminology, sort of present as perfect, Goldiehorn. You look much better than any sixty six year old has the right to. You you have this long and apparently enduring love affair with your partner of nearly thirty years, and you seem very close to your kids.

Goldie Hawn1:36

Yeah.

Presenter1:36

That must all have been very hard work, has it?

Goldie Hawn1:38

Yeah.

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Uh

Goldie Hawn1:38

It it's been an intention. I don't know that it's hard work, but it really is what I wanted out of life. A good relationship, uh, a healthy family of mind and body. And I am very I feel very honored that this has happened. And yes, it's ti you put your time in. Definitely, yeah.

Presenter1:56

Your most recent book has been on uh the New York Times bestseller list, and yet of course people want you to be Ditzy Goldie, don't they? They want the smiles, they want the giggles, they want to

Goldie Hawn2:05

Yes, and and they deserve to have that. I mean, that's a big part of me. It still is. It's not gone away. It's still there. I think that I think what we're missing is in in our world is a little bit more of that. I think we should embrace that part of us, all of us, that that abandonment, that fun, that joy.

Presenter2:22

You don't feel hemmed in by that ditzy ding-a-ling image.

Goldie Hawn2:26

I never have. I mean, I think it's been a great gift and I've honored it all my life. I've never looked at that and thought that that was a hindrance in any way, shape, or form. Good heavens I mean, looking back on my career, how could I possibly say such a thing?

Presenter2:38

So you head up an educational foundation and you also write these books now. You know, you work hard still. I'm wondering why you don't just nestle down in Malibu and stare at the waves for ten years.

Goldie Hawn2:42

Yeah.

Goldie Hawn2:47

It's not my nature. I'm I'm a worker. I'm a worker bee. I'm a productive person. I'm always thinking of new things.

Presenter2:54

You won your Oscar when you were twenty four for Cactus Flower. That was your first movie you'd done television before that, of course, and you were starring with Walter Matthow and Ingrid Bergman. Do you remember much about Oscar Night itself?

Goldie Hawn3:05

I was here in London and I was asleep. I'd totally forgotten it was on television. I just never felt I'd win. So I kind of put it out. I was working with Peter Sellers and I went to sleep and I got a phone call. And they said, You got it. And I went, I got what? I had no idea. Then, of course, you got the Academy Award. And I went, oh my God, I can't believe it. It was crazy. I could not believe it. For me, for a comedy and for that show, I didn't understand it.

Presenter3:32

So we've asked you to choose eight discs, as you know, Golion. We're going to go to the first of them then. What are we going to hear first of all this morning?

Goldie Hawn3:37

We're gonna hear the Rolling Stones. I can't get no satisfaction. It reminds me of a time in my life that I was just full of concert going and I remember the night that I was backstage with them and we had such a great time. It's one of those pieces of music that I just lift my hands up and just have the best time.

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Share with this I tried

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And try

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That was The Rolling Stones and can't get no satisfaction. You very blithely, in the introduction to that Goldie Horn, just said I was backstage with him. And well, give us a little snapshot of life backstage with The Rolling Stones. I think I know what it's like. I probably don't know.

Goldie Hawn4:39

It was wild. I had just met them at that time. I'm sure there must have been lots of drugs going on, which I did not see at that time, I have to say. I felt one of the innocents, you know, when they all came out and ready to go, you know, and all that pumped up with all that energy. I just can remember thinking, this is so cool. I mean, how did I get here? How old were you? I was 20.

Goldie Hawn5:05

I don't know, six, some something like that.

Presenter5:08

Only imagine Keith and Mick had a fight over you, that must surely be.

Goldie Hawn5:11

I know, but I did have a great time with Ronnie. Finally, it was sort of no one could make a decision where to go, and I said, Well, I'm going home. I'm going back to my hotel room and going to sleep.

Goldie Hawn5:22

So it was a great, great experience.

Presenter5:24

I'm thinking Mick Jagger now, I think, is a great grandfather. You yourself are a not grandma, but grandma, your son once named you. How has life changed since you've had grandchildren? Has it changed?

Goldie Hawn5:34

Ah, no. It hasn't changed at all. I'd say I've got more plates spinning than I would like. So I'm trying to take some plates off the uh off the wire, you know. I'm so grateful for my life. I'm so grateful for these children. I we live almost next door to each other uh in Los Angeles. We're very close.

Presenter5:53

And the work that you do in your Educational Foundation now, a lot of that is to do with children being present, understanding the reality, learning to deal with it in a way that makes them calm and interreactive.

Presenter6:05

Do you use those techniques with your grandchildren? Are you sort of watching them and seeing how they're responding to the world?

Goldie Hawn6:11

Um, not really, because a lot of this what what I've been looking at really is taken from not just experience, but really from what the experts have discovered and research out there. It isn't about me. It's about how much I love and care for children and for our future.

Presenter6:25

There there's a greater number of children than ever, especially in America, but increasingly so uh here in Europe and in the UK, of children who are medicated, children who have uh you know, the Ritalin generation. Was that something that also motivated you?

Goldie Hawn6:37

Absolutely. I think we need to take a look at the systemic reasons why our children are showing these kinds of symptoms depression, suicide, dropping out of school. Are they really having a childhood? Are we giving them free time? Are we playing with them?

Goldie Hawn6:54

Is there enough joy in their life?

Goldie Hawn6:56

These things are extremely human, and they're important just as important to nourish as academia.

Presenter7:02

Laughter is a great medicine, of course.

Goldie Hawn7:08

Cool.

Presenter7:08

Yeah.

Goldie Hawn7:08

I had to faint. And every time I'd fainted, somebody laughed. And I thought, well, gee, that I didn't really say anything, but I guess that was funny. It was physically funny. Maybe it was the timing. And then the most interesting piece was when I did Romeo and Juliet. I was 17 years old. And I just put my head in my hand and 3,000 people started laughing. I thought I'd made the biggest mistake of all because I was doing a Shakespearean tragedy. And here people are laughing at this junk.

Presenter7:38

Gesture that I did. It's time for some more music then, Gildy, our second disc of the morning. Appropriately enough, tell me what we're going to hear now.

Goldie Hawn7:41

Ben Goldi A

Goldie Hawn7:45

Oh, Romeo. Juliet Vychakovsky.

Presenter7:48

Yeah.

Goldie Hawn7:48

I played this every night in the dressing room, and I remember after the show was over my father came up to me.

Goldie Hawn7:56

And he said, Hey Go.

Goldie Hawn7:59

How did you learn to do that?

Presenter8:58

That was part of Romeo and Juliet by Tchaikovsky with the Chicago Symphony Orchestra conducted by Daniel Barrenboyne. Um your father, Goldihorn, was indeed a I mean he mended watches during the day, but in the evenings he played violin professionally. Uh reading the book you wrote about your life I I often got the impression throughout it that your father was wonderfully unpredictable. He kind of found his own path really.

Goldie Hawn9:19

Yes, he really did. I mean, there was nobody like my dad. I mean, he's a he had a strange and wonderful sense of humor. He was a very creative person. He used to go and take a metal detector and find all these things like railroad ties and stuff, and he would make music out of them. And I have a picture of him to always remember my dad the way he was. It was Valentine's Day, and my mom had gotten him a pair of boxer underpants with hearts on them. And he put them on his head and t picked up his violin and started playing. And my mother was standing there looking at him like, you are out of your mind. And I have this picture.

Goldie Hawn9:59

He had his little ears sticking out behind his underpants. My father was a real crack up.

Presenter10:04

And it was the humour between him and your mother that sort of oiled the wheels, because they were they quite different kinds of people?

Goldie Hawn10:10

Very, very different.

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They did.

Goldie Hawn10:12

Uh

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The oil

Goldie Hawn10:12

What was your mother like then?

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Tell me about her.

Goldie Hawn10:17

My mother was oh my god, she was sort of the life of the party. She was very beautiful.

Presenter10:17

My m

Goldie Hawn10:23

She looked like Loretta Young she was quite something, and very sought after by the young men when she was younger.

Goldie Hawn10:28

Um, and she but she was incredibly hard worker. We had stores, so she had the gift shop, and she ran the gift shop. She her work ethic was extraordinary.

Presenter10:37

The fact that she was a working mother is quite interesting because in her generation of women that would have been relatively unusual. Yes.

Goldie Hawn10:42

Yes. And I would come home sometimes to an empty house. But that was something, especially when my sister left. It was lonely sometimes. It was really lonely. Now I had lots of friends. Um we lived on a dead end street. The kids all got together. I was never really alone, but I did I did miss them when I came back from school.

Presenter11:01

And you naturally had a very sunny disposition. You th the phrase your mother used was you had a kiss for everyone.

Goldie Hawn11:07

I did.

Goldie Hawn11:09

My mom said, Do you have to kiss everybody? And I I I don't know, it's who I am.

Presenter11:16

Time for some more music then. We'll be home. Uh we're gonna hear what now? We're on our third disc of the day. We are going to hear Frank Sinatra Fly Me to the Moon. And why particularly Fly Me to the Moon?

Goldie Hawn11:26

Uh well, first of all, I love Frank. And secondly, Fly Me to the Moon is such a wonderful concept, and it's got a great beat to it. And the idea that you would take someone to the moon, it's so romantic.

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Fly me to the moon, let me play among the stars.

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And let me see what spring is like on a Jupiter and Mars.

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In other words...

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Hold my hand.

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In other words.

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Baby, kiss me.

Presenter12:09

That was Frank Sinatra and Fly Me to the Moon. You must have known Frank Sinatra, did you?

Goldie Hawn12:13

I did. I knew him. He was an extraordinary guy. He was very powerful, very interesting. He had a lot of people around him that were also interesting. I remember Jilly was somebody who was his best friend. And I met Jilly because his bar was next to where I lived in New York City on 52nd and 8th Avenue, which is hilarious. But Frank was very loving and also could be very tough. But what a talent.

Presenter12:38

So that was living there next to Jilly's Bar. That's of course when when you were starting out as a dancer, was it? That's right. Let's talk about when you really, really started out as a dancer. Is it true you started dancing classes when you were just about three years old?

Goldie Hawn12:49

I was three when I had my first dancing class. My mom ran the dancing school and she put me in a dancing class. And I loved it. I never stopped dancing.

Goldie Hawn12:59

And that's how I made my living until I got yanked out of the correspondence.

Presenter13:05

You you said uh later, and this was you describing, I think, in your sort of pubescent years, everything goes away when I'm dancing school work, boys, and my loneliness. When I'm dancing, I'm able to escape into my own little world.

Goldie Hawn13:18

It's I don't think that there's anything to date that I've ever done in my life.

Goldie Hawn13:25

And I've had some wonderful successes and had some great experiences doing, you know, acting and singing and so forth.

Goldie Hawn13:34

Dancing, it's the highest I could ever

Presenter13:37

Here's the contradiction about dancing. Dancers work probably in all of the arts the hardest of any artist. They have to put their body through punishing regimes to be able to do the dancing.

Goldie Hawn13:43

They have to

Presenter13:48

Is it the case then that you are so sort of free and able and drilled that when you're actually dancing you almost it's like runners doing a a sprint. They sort of forget everything that it's taken to get them there, all the pain and hardship?

Goldie Hawn13:59

Well, you do forget, but you ha you are in shape. You know, you have to be prepped. It's like any kind of sports. You know, you've got to practice, you've got to work, you've got to get your body strong. When your body is strong, when you're in your power and you now have music and you are one with the sound and your body and your brain is all working together.

Goldie Hawn14:21

and you're flying through the air and you're turning and you're working. I I just can't even express to you the the the joy that you feel when you're in that place right there.

Presenter14:32

Talking about the power of the body, um you're sitting opposite me today wearing a halter neck top.

Goldie Hawn14:37

Yeah.

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Uh

Goldie Hawn14:37

Uh

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I probably don't think there's another woman I've ever met at sixty six who could get away with a halter neck top. Um what sort of workout do you do these days to stay in such terrific shape?

Goldie Hawn14:42

Oh

Goldie Hawn14:46

I do work out, but I don't work out furiously. I mean, I try to work out every day. I do something every day. I stretch every day. Most people would call that furiously.

Goldie Hawn14:55

I do something every day. That sounds pretty furious to me. I can't imagine not. But you know, you have to remember, I was a dancer. It's how I started. My brain says you have to move your body, right? Let's have some more music.

Presenter15:07

We're on our fourth track of the day. Tell us what we're going to hear now.

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Oh, and

Goldie Hawn15:12

We want

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Yeah.

Goldie Hawn15:14

Back.

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to black.

Goldie Hawn15:16

She moved me.

Goldie Hawn15:19

She was a star.

Goldie Hawn15:21

And her light went out too soon.

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Go back from

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We are encircled by words I died a hundred times

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You go back to her and

Presenter15:55

That was Amy Winehouse there and Back to Black and indeed Goldieholm, something of a study in what the industry can do to very young and very talented women. You yourself were just nineteen when you decided to try and make your way in the entertainment industry, is that right?

Goldie Hawn16:08

I was nineteen. It was just to to get this dancing job, you know, and that's when I auditioned.

Presenter16:08

I was

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Yeah

Goldie Hawn16:13

I actually was in business from seventeen to eighteen. I had a dancing school and I taught uh children dancing from age three all the way up to twelve and I went all around Washington DC in these different recreation centers. So I was a very, very entrepreneurial young lady at that point. How interesting. And then I was also taking class in dancing and I also went to the American University. I would carry jars of honey around in my car to make sure I had the energy to take class after I dumped on everything else.

Presenter16:30

Interesting.

Goldie Hawn16:42

Um, the idea was that I got to find audition and become a professional dancer in New York City, and that was a goal. And I think we knew that from the beginning, and that that's where I was going.

Presenter16:52

In those early days of of trying to earn your living as a dancer then, to to to fill in and to pay the rent, you you had some jobs that, you know, not every mother would want their daughter to have. You were dancing on dancing on tables and go-go bars and go-go.

Goldie Hawn17:01

Yeah.

Goldie Hawn17:03

Google Bars. Google. Yeah. That was hard, you know, I mean, cages and stuff like that, but it was the time, you know, so it wasn't like so awful. You look back on it now and you think, Oh, look

Presenter17:09

Down.

Goldie Hawn17:14

You know, what were you doing? But it was fine then. I mean, that was what what you would do to make a living, you know.

Presenter17:21

So the moment comes when you're plucked from the chorus line and you're plucked to go on to a TV show. This is just before Ron and Martin's laughing.

Goldie Hawn17:27

And stuff in di were you conscious at the time that it was a big bro?

Presenter17:30

Break

Goldie Hawn17:31

It it definitely was a break, no question. I was br I was taken out of the chorus line to see if I could meet this agent, and then the agent ended up you know signing me from William Morris, and then the next thing I knew, I had a job on television acting. It was not Laughin'. It was a twenty-six promised T V series.

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And it was

Goldie Hawn17:49

And I was the girl next door. And they wrote in this part for me, which I was surprised because when I auditioned I auditioned for a role I was much too young for. Um so it was the whole thing was a big shocker.

Presenter18:00

Your mum you acted with your mum and dad as well, didn't you? They were in a couple of movies later on.

Goldie Hawn18:04

Yeah, they were. What was that like? They were. Fantastic. N couldn't have been more fun. I mean, my mom was so funny. She'd forget her lines, and then finally she'd say, You do them I said, That can't, Mom, they're your lines

Goldie Hawn18:17

Like you do them. You drive the car. Oh my god. And my father was on stage with me in Vegas. We danced, I danced and he did the fiddle, and we had lines then. And then he did a TV special, and he had lines on that with me. So, love being with my mom and dad, and I had a great time with them. Let's have some more music, Goldie Horn. What are we going to hear now? The Beatles. Let it be.

Goldie Hawn18:41

Let it be. Allow things to happen. Try not to push too hard.

Goldie Hawn18:46

And then you'll be able to see the light. So I like its message.

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When I find myself in times of trouble, Mother Mary comes to me, speaking words of wisdom.

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Let it be.

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And in my own darkness, she is standing right in front of me, speaking words of wisdom, let it be.

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Let it be, let it be, let it be, let it be.

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Whisper words of wisdom, let it be

Presenter19:28

That was the Beatles, and let it be. Let's just go back then to Ronan Martin's Laugh-In. Remarkably, one in four Americans watched that show. You became instantly a household name. And yet, while you were being this upbeat, giggly, goofy TV blonde that all of America fell in love with, you have written that you suffered anxiety attacks, depression, and an overwhelming nausea. They were my constant companions. What was the problem?

Goldie Hawn19:54

I was pulled out of the chorus line too soon. I didn't want to do anything else. I was so excited to be there. I was away from home. And I think I thought that my the trajectory of my life was going to be dancing and doing all that stuff. Maybe I'd get a commercial or two to make more money. But I never believed I was going to be a star. I always thought I was going to go home and be near my mom and dad and get married and live in with a white picket fence. And so my projections of my life really turned differently. And then

Goldie Hawn20:23

I started being asked for autographs and nobody really knew me because I was doing this T V show. So clearly people were trying to get an autograph before they even had seen me on the show. I was very confused. And I started to get down. It wasn't the world that I wanted. It was fearful. I was fearful. I didn't know what was going to happen. So not something I ever aspired to is to become well known or to be a star, ever.

Presenter20:45

Right. So what did you do? How did you tackle that?

Goldie Hawn20:47

I saw a doctor. I I I went immediately when I had these sort of panic attacks. I went, What is this? Why is my heart racing? Why am I feeling like this? Why I just felt so frightened and I didn't know what was going on with me.

Goldie Hawn21:01

And so I saw a psychologist. He was Freudian. And he would have me lie down on the couch and free associate. Well, what's so fascinating about that is when you free associate, you say whatever comes to your mind. And you begin to see what your mind is thinking. So what did you find out about yourself? I learned that actually the core of my being and my joy and happiness, which I thought I had lost, actually was there, always there, and will always be there for the taking. I learned that it was me in the driver's seat. I realized that it was really all came from me and my decision making. So I think it was an incredibly important time in my life.

Presenter21:39

And so did did the panic and the anxiety did it stop? Did you was there a moment when you thought, oh

Goldie Hawn21:44

It's fine actually. Yes, it did.

Presenter21:45

Yes, it's up to it.

Presenter21:49

And did you ever while you were going through that difficult period, did you ever think, Well, this is not for me actually, yeah, I want the picket fence and I want the dance school in Washington DC?

Goldie Hawn21:56

I don't think I had any choice.

Goldie Hawn21:58

It it it was at that point in time I was at number one too young and and I wasn't gonna quit. I couldn't. I had twenty six weeks of this show and then after that I thought I would go back to dancing, but that's when Laugh In came.

Goldie Hawn22:09

So it was just it was all meant to be, and I and I look at it like that.

Goldie Hawn22:13

And I

Presenter22:13

I really honor it. Some more music, Goldiehorn, then. We're on your sixth choice of the day. What are we going to hear now? This is one.

Goldie Hawn22:20

One of my favorite pieces from a movie theme out of Africa. I love this piece, and I think this is one of the most extraordinary um

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success stories of putting the right

Goldie Hawn22:35

Sound the right melody

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The right instrumentation.

Goldie Hawn22:40

To the images of the vast and beautiful Africa.

Presenter23:36

I had a farm in Africa, the themed Out of Africa, composed by John Barry, so I'd like to Goldihorn take a little dance through some of the many, many movies that you've made.

Presenter23:46

You were in There's a Girl in My Soup with Peter Sellers, and notoriously people say he's tricky to work with. How did you find him?

Goldie Hawn23:52

He was tricky, he was very temperamental, he was nervous, he was also a joy.

Goldie Hawn23:59

I remember one time we went to see the baboons in his wonderful car, I think it was a Rolls or something, and it was at the park and a zoo park.

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Like a zoo.

Goldie Hawn24:10

And he just had the best time watching the boons jump on the hood of his car. And it was so amazing for me and and so wonderful and yet so crazy.

Goldie Hawn24:25

I'm in the circus now.

Presenter24:26

How would With with Peter. So, Private Benjamin, then, you were Oscar nominated again for that. It was a film, of course, that you starred in, and you were an executive producer on it. Was it a happy experience?

Goldie Hawn24:38

It was. It was a very, very productive experience. The film itself was great fun to do. The characters I thought were amazing. It was funny. But then again, like everything else, you know, we would get the first edit, and there weren't as many laughs in that as there should have been. So it was a lot of rolling up sleeves and making this work. Like anything, you know? But it was great fun doing it.

Presenter24:59

Yeah.

Presenter25:00

You came out of that experience. Your second marriage came to an end, so you were divorced for the second time, you two tiny children. You were executive producer on the biggest movie around.

Goldie Hawn25:06

But

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I can't imagine.

Presenter25:13

There wouldn't have been many men who weren't entirely intimidated by the prospect of asking Goldie Horn out on a date. Am I right about that?

Goldie Hawn25:20

I don't know about the date, but I I will say that it was a double-edged sword in terms of my business, because that kind of success for a woman, particularly who, you know, wasn't the serious one, right? She was the one who did the comedies and so forth. A woman with opinion doesn't work too well, often enough. It still doesn't.

Presenter25:35

Often

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And then you made Swing Shift. Um a guy called Kurt Russell got the parts of Lucky Lockhearts. Can you remember the first time you met him?

Goldie Hawn25:41

So yeah.

Goldie Hawn25:43

Uh, I was actually a dancer. Um, I was twenty one, I think, and he was sixteen.

Presenter25:49

Uh

Goldie Hawn25:49

Uh And we danced on um I danced and he was an a a young actor on the one and only genuine original family band.

Presenter25:56

Did he make any impression then or he was just

Goldie Hawn25:57

I remembered him. I thought he was adorable, but he was much too young.

Presenter25:58

Body

Goldie Hawn26:01

And then years later I saw him on this show and we ended up meeting knowing a lot of the same people and remembering back of the oh my god, that was you on that show, I can't believe it And I liked him. I remember that I liked him very much when I first met him.

Presenter26:13

So the romance happened on swing shifts. It did, yeah. Actors must be chronically aware of the kind of falling in love on set thing, you know. You must be sort of.

Goldie Hawn26:22

It's a it's you know, it really is very, very hard. You have to stay extremely mindful of where you are and the insular atmosphere that you're living in. And it isn't the real world. And I was, you know, definitely not interested in an actor. And Kurt felt the same way. And he said I'm will never be with another actress.

Goldie Hawn26:42

And there you are, boom. It's like you said the other day he said, I promised I would never do this to myself. I was with my dad that night and I said to dad, Last thing I will be doing is going with an actress. He said, The next day I go and I meet Goldie Han.

Goldie Hawn26:55

And he w he went whooped.

Presenter26:57

Yeah.

Goldie Hawn26:57

Said so You never know.

Presenter26:58

Let's have some music, Guldihorn, then. We're on our seventh of the day. What are we going to hear?

Goldie Hawn27:02

The Gypsy Kings, Volare. I was actually in Majorca, was with my girlfriends. I said, Well, let's go down to this bar and as we opened the door, it was like a movie. There were the Gypsy Kings singing Volare. I thought I would lose my mind. Well actually the Gypsy Kings were in the bar.

Presenter27:16

Well actually

Goldie Hawn27:18

Yes, okay. And I swear to God we danced all night long.

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Tivola nobolas novelizo me puedlo mál comá que elzón esenta ya la mutos aléco de paso de.

Presenter27:55

That was the Gypsy Kings and Valara. You said going into that, Goldie Horn, that that uh Kurt was talking the other day in the kitchen and saying, you know, he never intended to get in tow with another actor. I mean, you you know, you've been together twenty eight, twenty nine years. Yeah. That's very rare that two actors in Hollywood manage to put up with each other for that amount of time.

Goldie Hawn28:07

Twenty-nine.

Goldie Hawn28:12

Well, I think when two people want to make it work, you can make it work. If one doesn't, then you're s you're sunk.

Presenter28:20

Um, where is acting in your life now? Is it important to you? I mean, the last movie you made was with Susan Saranda back in, was it two thousand and three?

Goldie Hawn28:28

Mm-hmm.

Presenter28:28

That was a great

Goldie Hawn28:29

Great, great time. Lots of fun. You know.

Goldie Hawn28:32

I'm not looking to do this. I mean, I've spent 10 years of my life producing and working with neuroscientists and positive psychologists and educators and political people who are out there trying to change things. I've found this the most stimulating, interesting time of my life.

Goldie Hawn28:50

You know, I've been acting for many, many years. I don't say that if a great role came up and it would be really be fun that I wouldn't want to do it. But frankly, there aren't that many good roles that come up that I would say I would love to do.

Presenter29:03

Yeah. I'm going to cast you away on an island, Goldiehorn. That's the point of Desert Islandists, as you know. Yeah, so you want it. You do want to go to this island? You'll be.

Goldie Hawn29:09

You're looking at

Goldie Hawn29:11

I want to go to this island.

Presenter29:13

The oil

Goldie Hawn29:13

Hold on.

Presenter29:13

Your own though

Goldie Hawn29:14

Is that all right? Yeah, I'd be alone. Alone is good. We shouldn't be afraid of being alone. When we're alone, we really can hear our own heartbeat.

Presenter29:22

Yeah.

Goldie Hawn29:22

How do

Presenter29:22

Do you think you would pass your days on this island? What would we find you doing?

Goldie Hawn29:26

Oh, I would probably draw things in the sand, I would dream, I'd probably look up to the sky, I might learn to climb trees better than I do to day.

Goldie Hawn29:36

And we still close.

Presenter29:37

You still climb trees?

Goldie Hawn29:38

Yeah, I do climb trees, but I can't climb them unless they have little knots on them. But there are other ways that you can climb a tree. That would have to be something in my suitcase, but then I don't know if I'd bring a suitcase. I don't know. I don't even know if I'd wear clothes.

Presenter29:53

Now, there's a thought. Let's have some music on that thought. Tell us what your eighth disc of the morning is going to be. John Lennon.

Goldie Hawn30:00

Imagine is what I probably would be doing on the desert island looking up at the sky and all the things that are unseen.

Speaker 430:11

All the people.

Speaker 430:16

Living life and peace you

Speaker 430:23

You may say I'm a dreamer

Speaker 430:30

But I'm not the only one.

Speaker 430:36

I hope someday you join

Presenter30:48

That was John Lennon, and imagine. So, then, Goldie, I'm going to give you the books now. I give you the Bible and the complete works of Shakespeare, and you can take another book with you to the island. What would you like to take?

Goldie Hawn30:58

The Art of Loving

Goldie Hawn31:00

One of my favorite books by Eric Frome, and it was one of the books that I read when I was feeling sad and down and depressed, and I realized that love is really where everything comes from.

Goldie Hawn31:10

and that um when I would be feeling sad or lonely on the island, that I would be able to take a book like that and it would remind me of the depth of my spirit and soul.

Presenter31:19

Okay, I shall give you that. And we allow you a luxury too, something to make life just a little bit nicer on the island.

Goldie Hawn31:24

Lip gloss, there's no question. I would have as many lip glosses as there was

Goldie Hawn31:29

Okay, we'll give you a couple of tons of lip gloss.

Presenter31:34

And if you had to save one of these disks from the waves, which one would you save?

Goldie Hawn31:40

I would say fly me to the moon.

Presenter31:42

It's yours, the Frank Sumatra then. Goldie Hon, thank you very much for letting us hear your desert island discs.

Goldie Hawn31:47

You bet, great fun.

Presenter32:07

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