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Desert Island Discs
Presented by Roy Plomley
Singing duo from Sunderland who began in a church choir and left the building trade to become professional entertainers after a record manager discovered them.
Eight records
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The keepsakes
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In conversation
Presenter asks
How early did you start having lessons?
I went in the choir, church choir, when I was nine year old. So that was my first grinding.
Presenter asks
Which one of you is the pianist in the act?
I am. Bob. Yes. Mm-hmm.
Presenter asks
What did you both want to be when you were at school?
Something to do with music, always. Yes, always.
Presenter asks
What made you decide to throw up the safe, reliable building trade and go into the theatre?
Well, the office came in uh so much for theatrical uh dates that we we just had to make our minds up one way or the other, so we chose the other, you know, we came for this side of it.
The recording
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Bob
This download is the only extract the BBC has of this edition of Desert Island Discs. The presenter was Roy Plumley.
Presenter
Well, where were you born? Uh well, we were both born in Sunderland.
Presenter
You come from a musical family? Very musical, yes, yes. On both sides? Yes, both sides.
Presenter
Alf, how early did you start having lessons?
Bob
I went in the choir, church choir, when I was nine year old.
Presenter
Mm-hmm.
Bob
So that was my first grinding.
Presenter
Was Bob in the choir too? Yes.
Bob
Yeah.
Presenter
Which one of you is the pianist in the act? I am. Bob. Yes. Mm-hmm.
Presenter
What did you both want to be when you were at school? Something to do with music, always. Did you have that idea too, El?
Presenter
Yes, always.
Bob
Yeah.
Presenter
What in fact did you both do when you left school? Well, when I left I went into uh a quantity surveyor's office. Father was in the building trade, he had his own business and he wanted me to have a a thorough grounding. But at nights of course I still carried on with the music. Mhm. What about you Alfred?
Bob
Well, I went into the office in father's business.
Presenter
Yeah, sorry.
Bob
you know, costing a clerk, costing a clerk and that sort of thing.
Presenter
And you were entertaining in the evenings as well?
Bob
No, not really.
Bob
Not like Bob.
Bob
Not in the the the band like Bob anyway.
Presenter
Well, he was in a band. I I didn't hear about this one.
Presenter
Well just as well perhaps.
Presenter
That was a real uh Fatal Five band I was in, but nevertheless it uh
Presenter
It gave me my uh grounding into the pop side of music. Before that it had always been classical stuff, you know. Mhm. When did you start singing duets together in public?
Bob
When the
Bob
When we left the choir when our voices broke, see, w and when our voices came back again, Bob was a tenor and I was a baritone. And we joined the church amateur concert party and we started singing then.
Bob
And more or less the same as what we do now. Better, I think.
Bob
You came to live in the South after a while, didn't you?
Bob
Yes, father got a contract, a building contract down.
Bob
near Kingston on Thames, and so the whole family moved down there. And uh we used to go out at night to parties, things like that, and sing, and one night there was the uh recording manager of a grammophone company there, and heard us singing. He asked us if we would like to make some records, which we did.
Bob
And then Christopher Stone, who was probably the first disc jockey, he put them on his programme and we began to get inquiries from theatrical agents offering us dates. And uh one thing led to another and that
Bob
How we shot it.
Presenter
Yeah. So really you were on the building site by day and in the theater by night? Yes, that's right.
Presenter
What made you decide to throw up
Presenter
The safe, reliable building trade and going to the theatre.
Presenter
Well, the office came in
Presenter
uh so much for theatrical uh dates that we we just had to make our minds up
Presenter
One way or the other, so we chose the other, you know, we came for this side of it. And you've never regretted it? Not really, no.
Presenter
So you took the plunge and became full-time professional entertainers. In those days, Bob, there were enough music halls to keep you busy all the year round, weren't there? Oh, more than enough, yes. The business was uh really flourishing then. It was rather a gypsy existence, I should think, moving on from town to town every week. A lot of travelling to be done, yes, and different digs to be in every week, but we enjoyed it all. Could you settle down and do a summer show?
Presenter
Oh yes, we're doing a summer show this year. We've always done summer shows. How early in your career did you make your first broadcast?
Presenter
Oh, back in Savoy Hill days. Of course we really weren't in the business as uh professionals then. We were still toying with the idea. But we uh our first broadcast was with John Sharman in Music Hall. And of course at the same time we were doing uh
Presenter
The Saturday nights with Ambrose from the Mayfair Hotel.
Bob
Eltic Carlos
Presenter
What other series have you done? Um there's one that you went for several years, Alf.
Bob
Yes, uh raise a luff with Ted Ray. We were in that for three years. Of course that was really the big break for us in in the business.
Presenter
Yes. You did some character acting in that series, surely? Oh yes, we all had to chip in and do little bits and pieces. You know, I did that uh it was acomy, Ivy.
Presenter
Oh, Mrs. Hoskins and uh
Speaker 1
Hello Uncle Roy, this is Jennifer!
Presenter
I never knew that was Ubo.
Bob
I never knew about
Presenter
What other series did you do?
Bob
Hit the road.
Bob
Uh the pleasure boat, join in and sing.
Presenter
Yeah.
Presenter
And uh he was something in the way of pioneers in the early days of television, I believe.
Bob
Yes, and we used to do them from the Baird Studio in Long Ecre.
Presenter
Mhm. In those days I believe you having finished a song, because there was some kind of filming involved, you could nip round the back of the camera and see just the end of the song again.
Bob
Yes, that's right. Finish the song, wait a couple of seconds, then dash round and see what you looked like. Dreadful sight to me.
Presenter
On the village
Bob
Yes, the picture was only the size of a cigarette card and it was in sort of copper and black.
Presenter
Good.
Presenter asks
How early in your career did you make your first broadcast?
Oh, back in Savoy Hill days. Of course we really weren't in the business as uh professionals then. We were still toying with the idea. But we uh our first broadcast was with John Sharman in Music Hall. And of course at the same time we were doing uh the Saturday nights with Ambrose from the Mayfair Hotel.
Presenter asks
What other series have you done?
Yes, uh raise a luff with Ted Ray. We were in that for three years. Of course that was really the big break for us in the business.